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The Day of Your Judgment
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Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-12 20:00:40 UTC
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The Bible records people will be summoned by name. Earth and Heaven
are fleeing from the Throne of God, and you are being drawn to His
Throne for judgment. It's actually called "The Great White Throne
Judgment."

There, the books of your life are opened.

What's in those books?
That stuff from your past?
Your youth?
The early sin you did in your wild days?

Yes. It's all there. Plus, things you didn't even realize was
sin. And it's all recorded in perfect detail, as if someone with
a great 3D holographic camcorder was following you around for your
entire life recording everything you've ever done ... in public,
in private, in secret, when you were alone, when nobody else saw
what you did. That 3D holographic camcorder did, and every last
detail is written down in the books of Heaven.

You're going to be summoned into a type of room you don't want to
be in. You're going to come face to face with things you don't
want to come face to face with. You're going to hear the list of
things you're guilty of read before all of creation, and you will
weep at how heinous you've been in the sight of a Holy, Holy, Holy
God. And you will be found guilty and sentenced to the only
sentence suitable for you, an eternal being made in the very image
and likeness of God, literally a god (lower-case "G") as is taught
us in the Bible. The only punishment suitable for a god is that
which God Almighty has created ... Hell.

Hell is a place of burning fire. It's a place of unending torment.
The Bible records there will be no presence of God there, and the
worm will not die, neither will there be any water to quench the
raging heat. Only flames and agony and torment and a binding of
such powerful degree that it will consume you completely, and you
will never have any ability to experience anything ever again,
save the raging pain.

------
This fate awaits all who do not come to Jesus and have their sin
forgiven. Jesus came to offer you a choice. He came to offer
you the ability to forego all of that, and to come to Him and
simply say, "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need to be
forgiven. I do not want to go to Hell," and He will forgive you.

God does not want to judge anybody. He's made a way out through
His Son for everybody. But those who will not listen to His call,
who will not come and ask forgiveness, repenting of their wrong-
doing in His sight, what I described above remains charged to
their soul's account, and that soul will have to pay the bill for
the sin, rather than Jesus paying the bill for the sin.

-----
It's your choice. Jesus gives you the way out. He gives you a
full pardon just for the asking. He saves you from burning alive
forever in utter torment for free, just or coming to Him and
stating the obvious: that you are a sinner, and that you need
to be forgiven.

Can you do that? Can you save your eternal soul? Or do you want
to jump headlong into those flames and burn and burn and burn and
burn and burn and burn and burn forever?

Who would choose the fiery flames end of their life? What kind
of man would say, "No" to Heaven and paradise in God's own Holy
glowing presence, and, "Yes" to Hell and its unending fire and
pain?

Only those who are pursuing falseness will choose Hell, because
they are moving falsely, all the while thinking they are moving
rightly, all because of sin's corruption on our ability to reason
correctly here in this flesh. We need the spirit to know the
truth, and only Jesus can set us on the right path to know the
truth, and only God the Father can know we desire to know the
truth and then alter us sufficiently to be able to even find it
in our fallen, corrupt-in-sin state.

-----
With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts. They are
the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
unending joy. And the path you're on today ends in a lake of
fiery torment that never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down.
It rages in fullest flame forever.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-12 22:30:34 UTC
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Those who are forgiven have a new life. The old life passes away,
all things are become new. All things. All aspects. All
divisions. All formats. All goals. Everything is changed by
Jesus Christ.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Corinthians%205:17

Therefore if anyone is in Christ [that is, grafted in,
joined to Him by faith in Him as Savior], he is a new creature
[reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit]; the old things [the
previous moral and spiritual condition] have passed away.
Behold, new things have come [because spiritual awakening
brings a new life].

The new life brings a new purpose. It changes everything from
the inside:

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Corinthians%205:15

And He died for all, so that all those who live might live no
longer to and for themselves, but to and for Him Who died
and was raised again for their sake.

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If you're still living for self, you are dead in self.

If you ask forgiveness from Him, and live for Him, you are
alive by Him, as is evidenced by your new life focus.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - Do you want to live on after you leave this world? Jesus
is the way. The only way because of the cross.
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-13 02:16:41 UTC
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The Bible records people will be summoned by name. Earth and Heaven
are fleeing from the Throne of God, and you are being drawn to His
Throne for judgment. It's actually called "The Great White Throne
Judgment."
There, the books of your life are opened.
What's in those books?
That stuff from your past?
Your youth?
The early sin you did in your wild days?
Yes. It's all there. Plus, things you didn't even realize was
sin. And it's all recorded in perfect detail, as if someone with
a great 3D holographic camcorder was following you around for your
entire life recording everything you've ever done ... in public,
in private, in secret, when you were alone, when nobody else saw
what you did. That 3D holographic camcorder did, and every last
detail is written down in the books of Heaven.
You're going to be summoned into a type of room you don't want to
be in. You're going to come face to face with things you don't
want to come face to face with. You're going to hear the list of
things you're guilty of read before all of creation, and you will
weep at how heinous you've been in the sight of a Holy, Holy, Holy
God. And you will be found guilty and sentenced to the only
sentence suitable for you, an eternal being made in the very image
and likeness of God, literally a god (lower-case "G") as is taught
us in the Bible. The only punishment suitable for a god is that
which God Almighty has created ... Hell.
Hell is a place of burning fire. It's a place of unending torment.
The Bible records there will be no presence of God there, and the
worm will not die, neither will there be any water to quench the
raging heat. Only flames and agony and torment and a binding of
such powerful degree that it will consume you completely, and you
will never have any ability to experience anything ever again,
save the raging pain.
------
This fate awaits all who do not come to Jesus and have their sin
forgiven. Jesus came to offer you a choice. He came to offer
you the ability to forego all of that, and to come to Him and
simply say, "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need to be
forgiven. I do not want to go to Hell," and He will forgive you.
God does not want to judge anybody. He's made a way out through
His Son for everybody. But those who will not listen to His call,
who will not come and ask forgiveness, repenting of their wrong-
doing in His sight, what I described above remains charged to
their soul's account, and that soul will have to pay the bill for
the sin, rather than Jesus paying the bill for the sin.
-----
It's your choice. Jesus gives you the way out. He gives you a
full pardon just for the asking. He saves you from burning alive
forever in utter torment for free, just or coming to Him and
stating the obvious: that you are a sinner, and that you need
to be forgiven.
Can you do that? Can you save your eternal soul? Or do you want
to jump headlong into those flames and burn and burn and burn and
burn and burn and burn and burn forever?
Who would choose the fiery flames end of their life? What kind
of man would say, "No" to Heaven and paradise in God's own Holy
glowing presence, and, "Yes" to Hell and its unending fire and
pain?
Only those who are pursuing falseness will choose Hell, because
they are moving falsely, all the while thinking they are moving
rightly, all because of sin's corruption on our ability to reason
correctly here in this flesh. We need the spirit to know the
truth, and only Jesus can set us on the right path to know the
truth, and only God the Father can know we desire to know the
truth and then alter us sufficiently to be able to even find it
in our fallen, corrupt-in-sin state.
-----
With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts. They are
the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
unending joy. And the path you're on today ends in a lake of
fiery torment that never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down.
It rages in fullest flame forever.
Here's a visualization of this (begins at 8:01):



Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-13 11:45:52 UTC
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The Bible records people will be summoned by name. Earth and Heaven
are fleeing from the Throne of God, and you are being drawn to His
Throne for judgment. It's actually called "The Great White Throne
Judgment."
There, the books of your life are opened.
What's in those books?
That stuff from your past?
Your youth?
The early sin you did in your wild days?
Yes. It's all there. Plus, things you didn't even realize was
sin. And it's all recorded in perfect detail, as if someone with
a great 3D holographic camcorder was following you around for your
entire life recording everything you've ever done ... in public,
in private, in secret, when you were alone, when nobody else saw
what you did. That 3D holographic camcorder did, and every last
detail is written down in the books of Heaven.
You're going to be summoned into a type of room you don't want to
be in. You're going to come face to face with things you don't
want to come face to face with. You're going to hear the list of
things you're guilty of read before all of creation, and you will
weep at how heinous you've been in the sight of a Holy, Holy, Holy
God. And you will be found guilty and sentenced to the only
sentence suitable for you, an eternal being made in the very image
and likeness of God, literally a god (lower-case "G") as is taught
us in the Bible. The only punishment suitable for a god is that
which God Almighty has created ... Hell.
Hell is a place of burning fire. It's a place of unending torment.
The Bible records there will be no presence of God there, and the
worm will not die, neither will there be any water to quench the
raging heat. Only flames and agony and torment and a binding of
such powerful degree that it will consume you completely, and you
will never have any ability to experience anything ever again,
save the raging pain.
------
This fate awaits all who do not come to Jesus and have their sin
forgiven. Jesus came to offer you a choice. He came to offer
you the ability to forego all of that, and to come to Him and
simply say, "Jesus, I am a sinner. I have sinned. I need to be
forgiven. I do not want to go to Hell," and He will forgive you.
God does not want to judge anybody. He's made a way out through
His Son for everybody. But those who will not listen to His call,
who will not come and ask forgiveness, repenting of their wrong-
doing in His sight, what I described above remains charged to
their soul's account, and that soul will have to pay the bill for
the sin, rather than Jesus paying the bill for the sin.
-----
It's your choice. Jesus gives you the way out. He gives you a
full pardon just for the asking. He saves you from burning alive
forever in utter torment for free, just or coming to Him and
stating the obvious: that you are a sinner, and that you need
to be forgiven.
Can you do that? Can you save your eternal soul? Or do you want
to jump headlong into those flames and burn and burn and burn and
burn and burn and burn and burn forever?
Who would choose the fiery flames end of their life? What kind
of man would say, "No" to Heaven and paradise in God's own Holy
glowing presence, and, "Yes" to Hell and its unending fire and
pain?
Only those who are pursuing falseness will choose Hell, because
they are moving falsely, all the while thinking they are moving
rightly, all because of sin's corruption on our ability to reason
correctly here in this flesh. We need the spirit to know the
truth, and only Jesus can set us on the right path to know the
truth, and only God the Father can know we desire to know the
truth and then alter us sufficiently to be able to even find it
in our fallen, corrupt-in-sin state.
-----
With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts. They are
the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
unending joy. And the path you're on today ends in a lake of
fiery torment that never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down.
It rages in fullest flame forever.
Some people would wonder: Why would Rick write this? God is
supposed to be all about love. How could Rick be so cruel and
pervert God's love into some form of hate? How could Rick be
so hateful to turn God's love into something else?

God is love. But He is also Holy. And He doesn't have a future
in mind where sin will abide. What will come in the hereafter is
described in the Bible. It is Heaven revealed to us, and God's
own Holy Temple. God has set it aside for Himself in eternity,
and He has purposed to keep all wrongness apart from it:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/21.htm

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that
defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or
maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's
book of life.

God examines the hearts and minds of each person and He knows
each person's true state. He knows who is His, and who is not
His, and who will be His one day, and who will never be His one
day. He doesn't impose upon people, casting them into these
roles, but each person is revealed by who they are, and what
choices they will make.

For all (literally all) who will seek the truth, God reaches
in to their heart and flips the invisible switches necessary
to come to salvation. Until that time we remain dead in sin,
dead in our transgressions, wholly condemned and on our way
to Hell already. But when God reaches in to a person's life,
He begins a work within them that He Himself is able to complete.

No act of salvation is by man's power or authority. No thing a
person is able to do is able to save them. All a person can do
is reveal themselves before God, indicating for the permanent
record (all of those books written down in Heaven) who you are,
and what you are in pursuit of. God sees past facades and outer
shells, and He looks straight through to the heart.

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Without knowing who God is, your current sin condition, and the
judgment that is coming ... how can you place value on that which
Jesus did at the cross?

My goals are to teach you the fundamentals about God, about sin,
about judgment and condemnation for sin in Hell, but even more
importantly about God's love and grace for you, in that God has
made a way out of that death-sentence in Hell by sending His own
Son to die at the cross in your place.

I'm teaching you about the love of God, the purposed heart of
God that He will keep His eternal House clean, and that He wants
you to be a part of His Kingdom. He teaches you this Himself
through men and women like me who are, as accurately as we're
able, in as many diverse ways as we're able, teaching you His
words, about Him, about His Son, and also about yourselves.

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I pray you will come to see yourself as you are. I pray you will
come to Jesus and ask Him to change you, to forgive your sin and
take you off the path you're on today, and set you on the right
path of light and love and peace and joy that leads to His eternal
Kingdom of Heaven's paradise.

God calls out to you. Will you answer?

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-13 18:41:27 UTC
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A preacher preaching on what Hell will be like. The Bible describes
it. It's a place you don't want to go, a place of torment and pain:



Nobody has to go there. Seek your way out today.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-14 20:40:47 UTC
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Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-15 11:06:37 UTC
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I keep bumping these up so you have the opportunity to
read the OP and replies. It's important to you.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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2017-07-16 23:16:14 UTC
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On 7/15/17, 4:06 AM, in article
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I keep bumping these up so you have the opportunity to
read the OP and replies. It's important to you.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Other than alerting people you badly want attention what point are you
hoping to make?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 00:39:54 UTC
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...what point are you hoping to make?
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I keep bumping these up so you have the opportunity to
read the OP and replies. It's important to you.
I want people to ask forgiveness for their sin and be saved.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodginn
Snit
2017-07-17 00:54:26 UTC
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On 7/16/17, 5:39 PM, in article
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...what point are you hoping to make?
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I keep bumping these up so you have the opportunity to
read the OP and replies. It's important to you.
I want people to ask forgiveness for their sin and be saved.
If you ask I am happy to give you forgiveness for the false accusations you
made against me... though to your credit you stated them merely as your
beliefs and not as if they are fact.

But, really, you are just looking for attention... that is what each of your
"bump" posts are about.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 01:02:58 UTC
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But, really, you are just looking for attention... that is what each of your
"bump" posts are about.
I do want the posts to get attention. The words and teachings
of Jesus Christ bring repentance, eternal life. I want people
to read them.

I am not looking for attention for Rick. In fact, I'd be happy
if others stepped up and taught about Jesus so I wouldn't have
to.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - Try and see the message here, NOT the messenger. He has
the way to eternal life. I only teach His ways.
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2017-07-17 02:07:20 UTC
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On 7/16/17, 6:02 PM, in article
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Post by Snit
But, really, you are just looking for attention... that is what each of your
"bump" posts are about.
I do want the posts to get attention.
Of coure you do. Over and over and over. It is about YOU and your views.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
The words and teachings of Jesus Christ bring repentance, eternal life. I
want people to read them.
Why does he not post for himself? Heck, he NEVER does and you want me to
believe in him, but you lack belief in people with a record of posting for
over a decade. That is irrational of you.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I am not looking for attention for Rick.
You absolutely are.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
In fact, I'd be happy if others stepped up and taught about Jesus so I
wouldn't have to.
If he wants to post something let him do it himself.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
PS - Try and see the message here, NOT the messenger. He has
the way to eternal life. I only teach His ways.
You are the one posting and it is YOUR message I am noting. If Jesus starts
posting we can look at his message. So far he has NONE.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 02:54:42 UTC
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The words and teachings of Jesus Christ bring repentance, eternal life. I
want people to read them.
Why does he not post for himself?
It's not my job to convince you. He does that Himself (John 6:44). I simply
teach His words (Matthew 28:18-20).

He reaches out to all people. If you can't hear Him it's because
you aren't being saved. All who are being saved will come to Him. The
rest won't.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodginn
Snit
2017-07-17 03:00:59 UTC
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
The words and teachings of Jesus Christ bring repentance, eternal life. I
want people to read them.
Why does he not post for himself?
It's not my job to convince you.
Right. It is not my job to convince you that people with a decades-plus long
posting history exist (you deny they do) nor your job to try to convince me
that someone with NO posting history you can show DOES exist (no reason to
think they do).
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
He does that Himself (John 6:44).
YOU are the one posting. Not him.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I simply teach His words (Matthew 28:18-20).
A shame he is too incompetent to post for himself!
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
He reaches out to all people.
NO! YOU DO! He is not posting at all.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
If you can't hear Him it's because you aren't being saved.
I read posts... I do not hear them.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
All who are being saved will come to Him. The rest won't.
That is YOUR view... your comments are all about YOU.

If you really trust this Jesus dude then let him post for himself.

I bet he does not snip as much as you do.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodginn
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 07:16:21 UTC
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If you can't hear Him it's because you aren't being saved.
I read posts... I do not hear them.
There are two aspects to the message of Christ and the cross:

1) What we read
2) What we hear

The reading comes from our eyes, or it can be what we hear
with our ears. It is the natural flesh + mind receiving of some
input by which we gain an understanding.

But neither of those is the 2) "hear"ing that takes place.

That 2) hearing comes from within, and is spirit, and is only
made possible when God physically alters your inner invisible man,
such that what you couldn't "hear" (receive, acknowledge, and
most importantly understand and place value on) previously, you
are now able to hear. It is not a working of the flesh, nor of
man's power or ability. God must do it.

All people who seek the truth will be changed by God on the
inside so that when we hear the message we know it is true from
within, rather than without. They will then be drawn to Jesus,
repent, and ask forgiveness for their sin and be saved.

It's different than other things, and that's what these messages
are trying to teach people: to seek the truth, even if they truly
don't know how to find it. Just seek the truth, and God will do
the rest.

People don't come to faith because men and women like me teach
the truth about Jesus Christ. They come to faith by God Himself
drawing them from within to hear and understand His teachings
about the cross, spirit, faith, and eternal life.

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Christianity is not an outside-first teaching by man, but an
inside-first teaching by God. The two work together, but that's
more by appointment than anything else, as God has us working
together to help one another because He's doled out severally as
He has our various abilities. When we work together, only then
are all of us made complete.

It's why I write: "If you cannot hear Him, it's because you
are not being saved."

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Snit
2017-07-17 10:51:40 UTC
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
If you can't hear Him it's because you aren't being saved.
I read posts... I do not hear them.
1) What we read
2) What we hear
The reading comes from our eyes, or it can be what we hear
with our ears. It is the natural flesh + mind receiving of some
input by which we gain an understanding.
But neither of those is the 2) "hear"ing that takes place.
That 2) hearing comes from within, and is spirit, and is only
made possible when God physically alters your inner invisible man,
such that what you couldn't "hear" (receive, acknowledge, and
most importantly understand and place value on) previously, you
are now able to hear. It is not a working of the flesh, nor of
man's power or ability. God must do it.
All people who seek the truth will be changed by God on the
inside so that when we hear the message we know it is true from
within, rather than without. They will then be drawn to Jesus,
repent, and ask forgiveness for their sin and be saved.
It's different than other things, and that's what these messages
are trying to teach people: to seek the truth, even if they truly
don't know how to find it. Just seek the truth, and God will do
the rest.
People don't come to faith because men and women like me teach
the truth about Jesus Christ. They come to faith by God Himself
drawing them from within to hear and understand His teachings
about the cross, spirit, faith, and eternal life.
-----
Christianity is not an outside-first teaching by man, but an
inside-first teaching by God. The two work together, but that's
more by appointment than anything else, as God has us working
together to help one another because He's doled out severally as
He has our various abilities. When we work together, only then
are all of us made complete.
It's why I write: "If you cannot hear Him, it's because you
are not being saved."
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
In other words you want to talk for this guy because he refuses to post (is
not competent enough to do so). No thanks. If he wants to make a point let
him post himself. As it stands you are just begging for attention.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 12:39:25 UTC
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In other words you want to talk for this guy because he refuses to post (is
not competent enough to do so).
It's dangerous to summarily dismiss something, or to ascribe easily dismissable
names to things. In so doing you demean them, and gloss over the details.
It's often in the details where the important things reside.

It's not my job to convince you of Jesus Christ, sin, Hell, judgment, damnation,
or salvation by asking Him to forgive your sin. You have been taught, and
I've pointed you toward the Bible to follow-up and learn more. The rest is
now all on you. I no longer bear responsibility for you before God.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 16:53:37 UTC
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Post by Snit
In other words you want to talk for this guy because he refuses to
post (is not competent enough to do so).
It's dangerous to summarily dismiss something, or to ascribe easily
dismissable names to things. In so doing you demean them, and gloss
over the details. It's often in the details where the important things
reside.
It's not my job to convince you of Jesus Christ, sin, Hell, judgment,
damnation, or salvation by asking Him to forgive your sin. You have
been taught, and I've pointed you toward the Bible to follow-up and
learn more. The rest is now all on you. I no longer bear responsibility
for you before God.
I repeat the above, Snit: Go to the bible. Learn directly from Him.
It is the best way to ensure you have unfiltered information that is
not incorrect by some failing of a misunderstanding by a man and his
limitations. God has no limitations, and will teach you generously.
Go directly to Jesus Christ and seek the truth directly from Him.

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Now, as you have brought this thread onslaught which correlates to
some alleged and unbelievable little war going on now for over a
decade, and you subsequently possess nothing within you except mud
to sling toward me and my Lord and Savior, then I am now done talking
to you.

I pray you come to faith, "Snit." If you ever do, you will know
where to find me. May the Lord open your eyes and heart to receive
His glorious Son Jesus, who is Christ. Amen.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Post by Snit
In other words you want to talk for this guy because he refuses to
post (is not competent enough to do so).
It's dangerous to summarily dismiss something, or to ascribe easily
dismissable names to things. In so doing you demean them, and gloss
over the details. It's often in the details where the important things
reside.
It's not my job to convince you of Jesus Christ, sin, Hell, judgment,
damnation, or salvation by asking Him to forgive your sin. You have
been taught, and I've pointed you toward the Bible to follow-up and
learn more. The rest is now all on you. I no longer bear responsibility
for you before God.
I repeat the above, Snit: Go to the bible.
You assume I have not read it. This is an incorrect assumption.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Learn directly from Him. It is the best way to ensure you have unfiltered
information that is not incorrect by some failing of a misunderstanding by a
man and his limitations.
So stop babbling your garbage here.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
God has no limitations, and will teach you
generously. Go directly to Jesus Christ and seek the truth directly from Him.
If he wants to talk to me let him email me or whatever.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
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Now, as you have brought this thread onslaught
YOU are the one who asked me to come to this group. YOU. I would likely
never have posted here has you not contacted me elsewhere. Looking now I see
my first post was on 30 April 2017 of this year, where Carroll was already
spamming this group in February.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
which correlates to some alleged and unbelievable little war going on now for
over a decade, and you subsequently possess nothing within you except mud to
sling toward me and my Lord and Savior, then I am now done talking to you.
I praise the Invisible Green Dragon for his gift of you never speaking to me
or of me ever again.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I pray you come to faith, "Snit." If you ever do, you will know
where to find me.
Sure: you will be here, trolling this group and pushing people away from
Christianity.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
May the Lord open your eyes and heart to receive His glorious Son Jesus, who
is Christ. Amen.
May the Invisible Green Dragon smile on you... after he has brushed his
teeth.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Post by Snit
I praise the Invisible Green Dragon for his gift of you never speaking to me
or of me ever again.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I pray you come to faith, "Snit." If you ever do, you will know
where to find me.
Sure: you will be here, trolling this group and pushing people away from
Christianity.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
May the Lord open your eyes and heart to receive His glorious Son Jesus, who
is Christ. Amen.
May the Invisible Green Dragon smile on you... after he has brushed his
teeth.
[...]

The Invisible Green Dragon is pretty nice, however, have you ever seen
Tiamat?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)

;^)
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I praise the Invisible Green Dragon for his gift of you never speaking to me
or of me ever again.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I pray you come to faith, "Snit." If you ever do, you will know
where to find me.
Sure: you will be here, trolling this group and pushing people away from
Christianity.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
May the Lord open your eyes and heart to receive His glorious Son Jesus, who
is Christ. Amen.
May the Invisible Green Dragon smile on you... after he has brushed his
teeth.
[...]
The Invisible Green Dragon is pretty nice, however, have you ever seen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
;^)
Cool... not heard of him, even though I used to play D&D and even now watch
Critical Role and play a home-brew system myself.

I have been talking about the Invisible Green Dragon for years... since at
least the 1980s. Since then I see people talk of the Invisible Pink
Unicorn... though no reason to think that came from my dragon. :)
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I praise the Invisible Green Dragon for his gift of you never speaking to me
or of me ever again.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I pray you come to faith, "Snit." If you ever do, you will know
where to find me.
Sure: you will be here, trolling this group and pushing people away from
Christianity.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
May the Lord open your eyes and heart to receive His glorious Son Jesus, who
is Christ. Amen.
May the Invisible Green Dragon smile on you... after he has brushed his
teeth.
[...]
The Invisible Green Dragon is pretty nice, however, have you ever seen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
;^)
Cool... not heard of him, even though I used to play D&D and even now watch
Critical Role and play a home-brew system myself.
Tiamat is a female, however, can shape shift into a man. Strange being.
Its also not all 100% evil.
Post by Snit
I have been talking about the Invisible Green Dragon for years... since at
least the 1980s. Since then I see people talk of the Invisible Pink
Unicorn... though no reason to think that came from my dragon. :)
Well now, the Unicorn's you speak of make we want to think of an old
game I used to play called Zork. Iirc, they lived in the Ethereal Planes
of Atrii:

http://zork.wikia.com/wiki/Ethereal_Planes_of_Atrii

There was a part in Beyond Zork where the player-character encountered
one in a stable.

;^)
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I praise the Invisible Green Dragon for his gift of you never speaking to me
or of me ever again.
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I pray you come to faith, "Snit." If you ever do, you will know
where to find me.
Sure: you will be here, trolling this group and pushing people away from
Christianity.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
May the Lord open your eyes and heart to receive His glorious Son Jesus, who
is Christ. Amen.
May the Invisible Green Dragon smile on you... after he has brushed his
teeth.
[...]
The Invisible Green Dragon is pretty nice, however, have you ever seen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
;^)
Cool... not heard of him, even though I used to play D&D and even now watch
Critical Role and play a home-brew system myself.
Tiamat is a female, however, can shape shift into a man. Strange being.
Its also not all 100% evil.
Fair enough...
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Post by Snit
I have been talking about the Invisible Green Dragon for years... since at
least the 1980s. Since then I see people talk of the Invisible Pink
Unicorn... though no reason to think that came from my dragon. :)
Well now, the Unicorn's you speak of make we want to think of an old
game I used to play called Zork.
Played it some in the '80s... that and the Hitchhiker's Guide the Galaxy
game, Leisure Suit Larry (which came out later), and a few others.
Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Iirc, they lived in the Ethereal Planes
http://zork.wikia.com/wiki/Ethereal_Planes_of_Atrii
There was a part in Beyond Zork where the player-character encountered
one in a stable.
;^)
Never was that into it... though use to make my own Apple BASIC programs.
They were very impressive I assure you. :)
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Post by Snit
I praise the Invisible Green Dragon for his gift of you never speaking to me
or of me ever again.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I pray you come to faith, "Snit." If you ever do, you will know
where to find me.
Sure: you will be here, trolling this group and pushing people away from
Christianity.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
May the Lord open your eyes and heart to receive His glorious Son Jesus, who
is Christ. Amen.
May the Invisible Green Dragon smile on you... after he has brushed his
teeth.
[...]
The Invisible Green Dragon is pretty nice, however, have you ever seen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
;^)
Cool... not heard of him, even though I used to play D&D and even now watch
Critical Role and play a home-brew system myself.
Tiamat is a female, however, can shape shift into a man. Strange being.
Its also not all 100% evil.
Fair enough...
I think so as well. I like the way how you accept that living a good
life, regardless of religious debates, can be a uniting factor. I also
respect your idea that it might be totally blank after death, the only
remnants are minerals comprising the body. I personally wonder if life
after death just might be akin to waking up from a hyper lucid dreamscape...

If I am right, you lived a good life and are there.

If you are right, I will not have a mind to comprehend such things
anyway. ;D

Fair enough?
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Post by Snit
I have been talking about the Invisible Green Dragon for years... since at
least the 1980s. Since then I see people talk of the Invisible Pink
Unicorn... though no reason to think that came from my dragon. :)
Well now, the Unicorn's you speak of make we want to think of an old
game I used to play called Zork.
Played it some in the '80s... that and the Hitchhiker's Guide the Galaxy
game, Leisure Suit Larry (which came out later), and a few others.
Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Iirc, they lived in the Ethereal Planes
http://zork.wikia.com/wiki/Ethereal_Planes_of_Atrii
There was a part in Beyond Zork where the player-character encountered
one in a stable.
;^)
Never was that into it...
The nerd in me! Sorry for projecting it. ;^o
Post by Snit
though use to make my own Apple BASIC programs.
They were very impressive I assure you. :)
Started with Atari, and moved to Apple 2 and IIGS. Kind of skipped the
Mac. Had access, but loved the Apple.
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Post by Snit
Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Tiamat is a female, however, can shape shift into a man. Strange being.
Its also not all 100% evil.
Fair enough...
I think so as well. I like the way how you accept that living a good
life, regardless of religious debates, can be a uniting factor. I also
respect your idea that it might be totally blank after death, the only
remnants are minerals comprising the body. I personally wonder if life
after death just might be akin to waking up from a hyper lucid dreamscape...
If I am right, you lived a good life and are there.
If you are right, I will not have a mind to comprehend such things
anyway. ;D
Fair enough?
Absolutely. As much as I do play around with those who push their religion,
my only issue with them is the pushing -- not the religion. People can
believe as they wish. I am this way with religion and tech: I use macOS,
Windows, and Linux... mostly in that order. I do not get the "religious"
debates over OSs any more than I do over religions: are you happy with your
religion? If so, good! Are you happy with your tech? If so, good!

And I think it is good to share ideas: what does your religion believe...
how do you do task X... etc. Does not mean one has to change to accept the
other person's as "right", but we can learn from each other.
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Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Post by Snit
I have been talking about the Invisible Green Dragon for years... since at
least the 1980s. Since then I see people talk of the Invisible Pink
Unicorn... though no reason to think that came from my dragon. :)
Well now, the Unicorn's you speak of make we want to think of an old
game I used to play called Zork.
Played it some in the '80s... that and the Hitchhiker's Guide the Galaxy
game, Leisure Suit Larry (which came out later), and a few others.
Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Iirc, they lived in the Ethereal Planes
http://zork.wikia.com/wiki/Ethereal_Planes_of_Atrii
There was a part in Beyond Zork where the player-character encountered
one in a stable.
;^)
Never was that into it...
The nerd in me! Sorry for projecting it. ;^o
I cannot claim to be NOT nerdy, but never that much into games. Did used to
play a game called "Hordes of Orcs" and even made a video showing how to
beat the "impossible" level of one of the challenges:
I see now that YouTube has kindly stretched
the video out to be 9:16... how very kind of them.
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Post by Snit
though use to make my own Apple BASIC programs. They were very impressive I
assure you. :)
Started with Atari, and moved to Apple 2 and IIGS. Kind of skipped the
Mac. Had access, but loved the Apple.
Had a brother with an Apple IIe and used those in school... and later got
myself a Woz-signed Apple IIgs (well after they were outdated, but it was a
fun machine for me to play with). Starting using Macs, PCs (DOS), and UNIX
when I went to college -- ended up getting a job as a tutor for a computer
lab though I literally had no idea where they on switch was for any of them.
By the end of college I was running a cluster of labs (mostly Mac by then)
and teaching computer classes on weekends.
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Absolutely. As much as I do play around with those who push their religion,
my only issue with them is the pushing -- not the religion. People can
believe as they wish. I am this way with religion and tech: I use macOS,
Windows, and Linux... mostly in that order. I do not get the "religious"
debates over OSs any more than I do over religions: are you happy with your
religion? If so, good! Are you happy with your tech? If so, good!
It's never about converting adults. Whatever religion we're talking about,
adults are already set in their ways and aren't going to change. If you're
an emacs person, nothing I say is going to change your (demented) ways.
Extend the previous statement to all other religious divides.

Rather, the point that is always in contention is: What do we teach the
children? What editor or programming language or whatever do we recommend
to new programmers who are just starting out?

Again, extend this out to all other social/political/economic/etc issues.
It's always about "the children".
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It's never about converting adults. Whatever religion we're talking about,
adults are already set in their ways and aren't going to change.
Nobody can change, not even children. In order to be saved from
God's judgment, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN SPIRITUALLY. And that's
not something a person can do for themselves or another. It is
solely an act of God just as was our first birth.

You do not understand this because you aren't looking for the
truth. You can only lump things into a common category your
flesh can understand ... but there is no life in the flesh, just
a temporary mist. Life only comes from the spirit.

Thank you,
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It's never about converting adults. Whatever religion we're talking about,
adults are already set in their ways and aren't going to change.
Nobody can change, not even children.
When my kids were infants I use to change them often! To not do so would be
gross. Now they are well past the age where they can change themselves!
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
In order to be saved from God's judgment, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN SPIRITUALLY.
Saved FROM God. I thought he was supposed to be a good guy. Wow... OK, so in
your view God is not a very good being. Fair enough... I have no issue with
people having different views of their deity.
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And that's not something a person can do for themselves or another. It is
solely an act of God just as was our first birth.
You do not understand this because you aren't looking for the truth. You can
only lump things into a common category your flesh can understand ... but
there is no life in the flesh, just a temporary mist. Life only comes from
the spirit.
We've got spirit, yes we do, we've got spirit, how about you?
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Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
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Absolutely. As much as I do play around with those who push their religion,
my only issue with them is the pushing -- not the religion. People can
believe as they wish. I am this way with religion and tech: I use macOS,
Windows, and Linux... mostly in that order. I do not get the "religious"
debates over OSs any more than I do over religions: are you happy with your
religion? If so, good! Are you happy with your tech? If so, good!
It's never about converting adults. Whatever religion we're talking about,
adults are already set in their ways and aren't going to change. If you're
an emacs person, nothing I say is going to change your (demented) ways.
Though I have not used either to any real extent in over a decade, I was
definitely a vi person myself (late '80s and early '90s)_. Have fiddled in
recent months a bit with vim but I think I have forgotten at least half of
what I knew then (not that I was ever great with it)... and it is certainly
no longer muscle memory for me.
Post by Kenny McCormack
Extend the previous statement to all other religious divides.
Rather, the point that is always in contention is: What do we teach the
children? What editor or programming language or whatever do we recommend
to new programmers who are just starting out?
My wife and I *KID* that we must raise our kids with Macs and not allow
those Windows PCs in the house!
Post by Kenny McCormack
Again, extend this out to all other social/political/economic/etc issues.
It's always about "the children".
Right: and even then it is, I think, about teaching morality. Religion can
be a fine way to do that, but as an atheist family I am confident my kids
are doing well. They are in a variety of organizations and repeatedly the
leaders of those groups tell me that my kids say their Ps and Qs and offer
to help and clean things up on their own better than most. With a number of
those groups there is another child who also is known for these things --
and she comes from a strong Christian household (and is a close friend of
one of my daughters). My kid stays at her house... and she at mine. They do
have occasional religious discussions to better understand where the other
is coming from but I have never heard them argue over it or insist their way
is the one and only right way for everyone. Seems my wife and I, as well as
the parents of this other child, are each doing things (mostly) right (no
doubt we and they make our significant mistakes and I certainly will not
pretend my kids are perfect... how boring would that be if they were!)
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as an atheist family I am confident my kids are doing well...
I address this to you for your family's future and well-being here in
this world, but also in eternity:

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/14-12.htm
http://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-25.htm

I ask you to consider it, Snit, for their sakes. Real lives are involved.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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as an atheist family I am confident my kids are doing well...
I address this to you for your family's future and well-being here in
http://biblehub.com/proverbs/14-12.htm
http://biblehub.com/proverbs/16-25.htm
I ask you to consider it, Snit, for their sakes. Real lives are involved.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
You said you would not post to me again. You lied.
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But, really, you are just looking for attention... that is what each of your
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And every time you reply to him, you reward him with attention.

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But, really, you are just looking for attention... that is what each of your
"bump" posts are about.
And every time you reply to him, you reward him with attention.
If your newsreader supports kill-filing, you have the solution at your
fingertips.
Snit is old time troll from comp.os.linux.advocacy. I have killfiled him
for ages. He creates sockpuppets in order to give impression that
someone else cares about that crap.
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But, really, you are just looking for attention... that is what each of your
"bump" posts are about.
And every time you reply to him, you reward him with attention.
If your newsreader supports kill-filing, you have the solution at your
fingertips.
Snit is old time troll from comp.os.linux.advocacy. I have killfiled him
for ages. He creates sockpuppets in order to give impression that
someone else cares about that crap.
Not in the slightest bit true... but, hey, Marek said folks here would end
up acting like those of you who troll COLA *without* your fantasizes about
me.

Here you are proving him wrong. Odd.

For the record, I have posted with the name "Snit" since the 1980s or early
1990s. The email has changed over that time but the name has stayed the
same.
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But, really, you are just looking for attention... that is what each of your
"bump" posts are about.
And every time you reply to him, you reward him with attention.
Fair enough.
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With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts. They are
the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
unending joy. And the path you're on today ends in a lake of
fiery torment that never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down.
It rages in fullest flame forever.
Your posts mostly are NOT about C programming.
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With everything within me: PLEASE! Read these posts. They are
the only path you are given to life eternal in peace, love, and
unending joy. And the path you're on today ends in a lake of
fiery torment that never ebbs, never dries out, never calms down.
It rages in fullest flame forever.
Your posts mostly are NOT about C programming.
These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the state of your eternal soul well ahead of my own software
development.

Thank you,
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the meddling in your personal business well ahead of my own
nonexistent and pretty much vaporware-at-best but basically useless
attempts at software development.
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These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the meddling in your personal business well ahead of my own
nonexistent and pretty much vaporware-at-best but basically useless
attempts at software development.
Do you really think my software projects are basically useless attempts
at software development, Kenny? Or are you just saying hurtful words
to do harm to me?

I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++. Many people want
this. I have goals for an alternative operating system that's not
Windows, Mac OS, Linux, or other, and is an open source version of
OS/2. I have goals for a free xbase language that allows for the
power of Visual FoxPro apps in a new form, automatically bringing
forward all of those 30 years of development on FoxPro apps back
into the mainstream again. I have hardware goals to give us a real
alternative to Intel and AMD.

These are all honorable goals, so I am curious as to your real
assessment of my projects. Is it based on reality, or solely upon
your personal hatred of Jesus Christ then applied to me as an
ongoing reminder / messenger of His forthcoming presence in your
life, through either your voluntary acceptance of Him in your life
on this world, or your forced acceptance of Him on the day of your
judgment in Heaven?

I don't expect you to answer ... but ... really, Kenny? You are
actually disrespecting my projects because I also have Jesus Christ
in my life, and therefore care about you and your eternal soul state?
How does that even correlate? I'm giving my software to all of you
with source code for free forever. I'm telling you that I don't want
you to be judged. I'm teaching you repeatedly the way to keep from
being judged.

How am I doing wrong here?

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the meddling in your personal business well ahead of my own
nonexistent and pretty much vaporware-at-best but basically useless
attempts at software development.
Do you really think my software projects are basically useless attempts
at software development, Kenny? Or are you just saying hurtful words
to do harm to me?
I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++.
Given that C++ is already such a programming language (one need not use
_all_ the most recent language features, after all), it's hard
to see you getting any traction on this.
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Many people want this.
This screams out for supporting citations.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I have goals for an alternative operating system that's not
Windows, Mac OS, Linux, or other, and is an open source version of
OS/2.
A thirty+ year old OS that couldn't survive is hardly likely to
be of interest to anyone other than nostalgists.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I have goals for a free xbase language that allows for the
power of Visual FoxPro apps in a new form, automatically bringing
forward all of those 30 years of development on FoxPro apps back
All ten of them?

Of course, you may not have considered that DB2 and Oracle are free for
personal use, and mariadb is free for all use and both are _far_
more capable than Visual FoxPro ever dreamed of being.
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Hi, Scott!

I'm still waiting for a reply from you on how the parallel stricmp()
function using SIMD you suggested was a better solution:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/S1qBziv0p7M/n-XlooxaAwAJ

I think many of us look up to men like you, to learn from your high-
powered, high-dollar experience. You readily pointed out how we were
on the trail of a weak non-SIMD solution. I don't think the developers
on this group want to have weak solutions to their programming tasks,
so I'm asking you to step up and help the community grow in their C
algorithm knowledge and skill set. A SIMD stricmp() function may seem
like a small contribution, but you seemed quite certain it was the
betters solution. I can only conclude it must be a trivial task for
a man if your caliber.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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[snip]
Hi, Scott!
I'm still waiting for a reply from you on how the parallel stricmp()
As I never suggested such a thing, you'll be waiting for a long time.

Re-read the thread carefully.
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Hi, Scott!
I'm still waiting for a reply from you on how the parallel stricmp()
As I never suggested such a thing, you'll be waiting for a long time.
Re-read the thread carefully.
I read it. You didn't come out and say "You need to use SIMD," but
it was implied by what you did write:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/S1qBziv0p7M/xWgz506nAQAJ

"Most hi-perf string algorithms have given up on the byte-by-byte
comparisions (and single-byte accesses to memory) and instead
do word sized (32-bit on x86, 64-bit on amd64, 128-bit SIMD)
loads and comparisions and devolve to single-byte only if the
word-sized comparision failed (if the exact failing byte is of
interest).

"You may also want to stick prefetchnta instructions where
appropriate."

And then you gave an example of string operations using the SIMD
model for your own memcpy() function.

I apologize for my misunderstanding, Scott.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the meddling in your personal business well ahead of my own
nonexistent and pretty much vaporware-at-best but basically useless
attempts at software development.
Do you really think my software projects are basically useless attempts
at software development, Kenny? Or are you just saying hurtful words
to do harm to me?
I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++.
Given that C++ is already such a programming language (one need not use
_all_ the most recent language features, after all), it's hard
to see you getting any traction on this.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Many people want this.
This screams out for supporting citations.
It's been the comment on the lips of my co-workers for as far back
as I can remember C/C++ conversations. It's a common statement made
in both clc and clc++.

C++ requires a steep learning curve to master, whereas C is learned
much more readily. The big advantages of C++ are the class, the
relaxed syntax, and the tightened typing. CAlive brings in those
features, plus targets human thinking patterns to introduce additional
changes to syntax which help people write code more in the way we
naturally think. And I am flexible in adopting and rejecting both
my existing ideas, as well as other new ideas.
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I have goals for an alternative operating system that's not
Windows, Mac OS, Linux, or other, and is an open source version of
OS/2.
A thirty+ year old OS that couldn't survive is hardly likely to
be of interest to anyone other than nostalgists.
Banks and many machines in industries still use it to this day.
IBM licensed Arca Noae to release a new version of OS/2 this year,
called Arca OS. There is still an active community and it is the
truly viable alternative to Windows, Mac OS, Linux, and other
similarly derived features.

You should see what features it had back in the early 90s. They
are features we still don't have in our OSes today:


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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I have goals for a free xbase language that allows for the
power of Visual FoxPro apps in a new form, automatically bringing
forward all of those 30 years of development on FoxPro apps back
All ten of them?
As with OS/2, your myopic vision is limiting your understanding of
things outside of your $300/hr expertise. And, if I might also add,
you're being quite insulting in the process of rebuking things you
are fundamentally ignorant of.

Visual FoxPro was the premiere database management system for non-
enterprise level applications up through the time Microsoft killed
it. It still surpasses most offerings in terms of speed and
performance, though its UI is looking dated.

There are entire communities which grew up around it, and there is
still to this day a strong legacy community in the Spanish-speaking
nations. You can see their posts:

www.foxite.com
www.universalthread.com
www.tek-tips.com
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/publicesvfoxpro
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Of course, you may not have considered that DB2 and Oracle are free for
personal use, and mariadb is free for all use and both are _far_
more capable than Visual FoxPro ever dreamed of being.
Visual FoxPro is far more than just a database management system.
And Visual FoxPro can use DB2, Oracle, and other database systems
through ODBC.

Visual FoxPro's greatest strength is in its built-in forms and
reporting engines, coupled to its native database engine which
is world-class in terms of speed.

Microsoft had to kill Visual FoxPro because it did so much with
only a 20 MB installation footprint.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++.
Many people want this.
This screams out for supporting citations.
It's been the comment on the lips of my co-workers for as far back
as I can remember C/C++ conversations. It's a common statement made
in both clc and clc++.
You know what they say about anecdotal evidence, right?

"Where only one or a few anecdotes are presented, there is a larger
chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise
non-representative samples of typical cases. Similarly, psychologists
have found that due to cognitive bias people are more likely to
remember notable or unusual examples rather than typical examples."

Missing citation(s) noted.
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A thirty+ year old OS that couldn't survive is hardly likely to
be of interest to anyone other than nostalgists.
Banks and many machines in industries still use it to this day.
Lack of citations noted. None of the ATM machines we sold ever
used OS/2 (and we were number 2 at the time).
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
IBM licensed Arca Noae to release a new version of OS/2 this year,
called Arca OS. There is still an active community and it is the
truly viable alternative to Windows, Mac OS, Linux, and other
similarly derived features.
It is only a viable alternative to a few enthusiests.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
You should see what features it had back in the early 90s. They
OS/2 can't even _touch_ the features of MVS, MCP, Multics,
Unix, VMS or any other major operating system of the 70's and 80's.

Being better than MS-DOS is scant praise, indeed.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Visual FoxPro was the premiere database management system for non-
enterprise level applications up through the time Microsoft killed
it. It still surpasses most offerings in terms of speed and
performance, though its UI is looking dated.
Your PC-centric view of the software world is quite myopic.
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I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++.
Many people want this.
This screams out for supporting citations.
It's been the comment on the lips of my co-workers for as far back
as I can remember C/C++ conversations. It's a common statement made
in both clc and clc++.
You know what they say about anecdotal evidence, right?
"Where only one or a few anecdotes are presented, there is a larger
chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise
non-representative samples of typical cases. Similarly, psychologists
have found that due to cognitive bias people are more likely to
remember notable or unusual examples rather than typical examples."
Missing citation(s) noted.
It's from comp.lang.c and comp.lang.c++, as well as many other
sources I've examined over the years. It's a consistent theme,
and regardless, it's one I personally believe in. The class is
desirable, but if you get much further than that the various
syntaxes result in horrible code.

There are also other language spinoffs like Rust and Go which have
moved in a similar direction. Mine just happens to be an explicit
offering unto the Lord, rather than just Rick doing something
for Rick's own sake. I name the name of Jesus as the purpose of
why my product will exist rather than me using something like
Rust or Go or other.
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A thirty+ year old OS that couldn't survive is hardly likely to
be of interest to anyone other than nostalgists.
Banks and many machines in industries still use it to this day.
Lack of citations noted. None of the ATM machines we sold ever
used OS/2 (and we were number 2 at the time).
First Google hits:

http://gizmodo.com/5898623/ibms-failed-os2-is-25-years-oldbut-it-still-powers-atms-and-checkouts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2#ATMs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2#Historical_uses
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
IBM licensed Arca Noae to release a new version of OS/2 this year,
called Arca OS. There is still an active community and it is the
truly viable alternative to Windows, Mac OS, Linux, and other
similarly derived features.
It is only a viable alternative to a few enthusiests.
It's undergoing ongoing development. It has a smaller base, but
it works and those who like the features of OS/2 have a new 2017
release they can use on more modern hardware due to kernel patches
licensed legally by IBM.
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
You should see what features it had back in the early 90s. They
OS/2 can't even _touch_ the features of MVS, MCP, Multics,
Unix, VMS or any other major operating system of the 70's
and 80's.
I don't think you understand the core kernel design of OS/2.
Post by Scott Lurndal
Being better than MS-DOS is scant praise, indeed.
It was a better MS-DOS, but it was also far more than that. It
was killed by Microsoft, by the way, who demanded particular
things of IBM and one of them was that they stop developing
OS/2.

Had it continued, our Windows and Linux OSes would've been far
better products as the features of OS/2 would've forced them
to produce a better mousetrap.
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Visual FoxPro was the premiere database management system for non-
enterprise level applications up through the time Microsoft killed
it. It still surpasses most offerings in terms of speed and
performance, though its UI is looking dated.
Your PC-centric view of the software world is quite myopic.
Until 2006, all we had were desktop systems. Things are migrating
away from desktops and into mobile devices, and my plans for an
OS/2 clone include that migration. I have two stages: ES/2 for
my desktop x86-based version, and AS/2 for my ARM-based mobile
version.

When the source code is owned and the purpose exists, there are
no limits to what's possible. It's why I'm moving in that
direction, but it is a multi-year plan. I am unable to move
faster despite my skill set, drive, and passion, because every-
where I go, people run from the cross on the door, and then mud-
sling everything about me, my efforts, my name, etc.

It's quite a thing to see ... but I persist on undaunted because
my purpose is true, and my goals are right (before the Lord's
own eyes and scrutiny, because it is all open, given to mankind,
and is done explicitly for Him).

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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OS/2 can't even _touch_ the features of MVS, MCP, Multics,
Unix, VMS or any other major operating system of the 70's
and 80's.
I don't think you understand the core kernel design of OS/2.
Well, I understand the core kernel design of every one of the
operating systems listed above, having done coding for all
of them (except Multics, which I only used). OS/2 was nothing
new or special, except on the PC.
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OS/2 can't even _touch_ the features of MVS, MCP, Multics,
Unix, VMS or any other major operating system of the 70's
and 80's.
I don't think you understand the core kernel design of OS/2.
Well, I understand the core kernel design of every one of the
operating systems listed above, having done coding for all
of them (except Multics, which I only used). OS/2 was nothing
new or special, except on the PC.
Well OS/2 is the target for my kernel. I like its features, and
there's nothing preventing me from extending it to include those
features desirable and present in other OSes that aren't in OS/2.

You're welcome to come and help me, Scott. It sounds like you
have a wealth of experience and information that would be truly
invaluable.

I've made a similar offer to Mitch Alsup in comp.arch to help
me on my hardware designs:

FPGA: http://www.libsf.org:8990/projects/LIB/repos/libsf/browse/arlina
CPU: http://www.libsf.org:8990/projects/LIB/repos/libsf/browse/arxoda/core

He's more or less threatened to show up at my house and kill me
because I continue to post about people needing to be forgiven for
their sin lest they be cast into eternal Hellfire after leaving
this world.

If I didn't believe it with everything in my being, having come
from an atheist background, by the way, and having witnessed the
real transformation from flesh-only to the new spirit nature, then
I wouldn't be teaching it.

I know how Jesus has changed me, the kind of man I was, and the
kind of man my flesh still is, but the kind of man my spirit is
also, and I stand up and testify with my entire life that Jesus
Christ is Lord. I desire to offer everything I have to Him in
return for what He first did for me.

I would welcome your expertise, Scott. You undoubtedly have skills
which would make mine green with envy. If you're interested, the
offer's open. We operate under the guidelines I've laid out: an
offering unto the Lord.

And, FWIW, having an OS/2 kernel is just an engine. It's one that's
now out of patents, so there's no legal issues. There's nothing to
prevent us from creating all of the core kernel tools which would
allow someone with experience on another OS coming over and using
it exactly as they did before. All we have to do is code the
necessary kernel APIs to make it happen ... as well you already know.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Of course, you may not have considered that DB2 and Oracle are free for
personal use, and mariadb is free for all use and both are _far_
more capable than Visual FoxPro ever dreamed of being.
Visual FoxPro is far more than just a database management system.
And Visual FoxPro can use DB2, Oracle, and other database systems
through ODBC.
Visual FoxPro's greatest strength is in its built-in forms and
reporting engines, coupled to its native database engine which
is world-class in terms of speed.
Microsoft had to kill Visual FoxPro because it did so much with
only a 20 MB installation footprint.
Did not ever use Visual FoxPro but wasn't it a competitor to things like
FileMakere Pro? FMPro is a great app for quick development but its data
model is very weak compared to other relational databases. Still, a GREAT
tool.
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I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++.
Given that C++ is already such a programming language (one need not use
_all_ the most recent language features, after all), it's hard
to see you getting any traction on this.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Many people want this.
This screams out for supporting citations.
It's been the comment on the lips of my co-workers for as far back
as I can remember C/C++ conversations. It's a common statement made
in both clc and clc++.
No such citations. No wonder.

There really are more than plenty of "better C languages" all around
for every taste. Let me give first releases of the 8 most prominent
of those (for my taste):
1983 - C++
1995 - Java
1996 - Javascript
2000 - C#
2001 - D
2009 - Go
2010 - Rust
2014 - Swift

All are fine enough languages for making software on professional
level. The differences are often only of syntax sugar.
Why we supposedly need yet another one? How is will be better?
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There really are more than plenty of "better C languages" all around
for every taste. Let me give first releases of the 8 most prominent
1983 - C++
1995 - Java
1996 - Javascript
2000 - C#
2001 - D
2009 - Go
2010 - Rust
2014 - Swift
Why we supposedly need yet another one? How is will be better?
First, and fundamentally, my language will be an offering unto the
Lord rather than to some other thing(s). The authors of CAlive and
all of the other software will recognize their skills came from Him,
and they will be seeking to acknowledge Him in the giving back of
that which they possess.

Secondly, it's an interesting migration away from C and C++ in how
it views data. I look at data as data in CAlive, and I do look at
types as types. The two are different, and I provided facilities
to handle either one easily, and without syntax issues.

One example is variable names. If I have a pointer called p, there
is also an implicit variable called _p that is the union { unsigned
int _p; void* p}; equivalent of that value p, which is accessible at
any point. And the same is true for any variable that will fit within
fundamental bit sizes (8..64), no matter what other type it might
be.

I also remove some of the complexities of writing code by introducing
flow {..} blocks, which are blocks which allow token names to be
created locally which are then either like #define macros, or are
like called functions, and they are self-documenting because they
are in the flow {..} block itself.

I introduce i() and ii() functions, which allow you to define a
single function and then have additional checks with i {..} blocks
for non-null values, whereas the ii() form knows that everything
is already not-null, as those are i() internal, and ii() internal-
to-internal functions, where the checking has already been done.

And I have a few dozen other things I've added:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/caliveprogramminglanguage

It's just a way to make C code more alive, and to give C++ devs
an alternative that's more C-like, while still keeping the basic
class and some of the other nice features of C++, all in a package
that is designed to acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ here in this
world by the very men He created.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++.
Given that C++ is already such a programming language (one need not use
_all_ the most recent language features, after all), it's hard
to see you getting any traction on this.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Many people want this.
This screams out for supporting citations.
It's been the comment on the lips of my co-workers for as far back
as I can remember C/C++ conversations. It's a common statement made
in both clc and clc++.
No such citations. No wonder.
There really are more than plenty of "better C languages" all around
for every taste. Let me give first releases of the 8 most prominent
1983 - C++
1995 - Java
1996 - Javascript
2000 - C#
2001 - D
2009 - Go
2010 - Rust
2014 - Swift
All are fine enough languages for making software on professional
level. The differences are often only of syntax sugar.
Why we supposedly need yet another one? How is will be better?
You could equally ask the same question of the authors of Rust, Go and
D, as to how it was better than Go, D and C++ respectively. Or of Swift,
since its blurb says it copied ideas from most of the others.

FWIW, my own low-level language started off in 1981 and was developed
from there. It does not attempt to do anything much higher level, and
implementations of it are tiny.

Most of the above are HUGE.

Rick's 'CAlive' does appear to have lots of unusual features (which few
others apart from him seem to appreciate the advantages of), so it is
genuinely something different.

But it can also happen that hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people
develop new languages with some new angle, and eventually one or two of
those could end up on your list.

Like Python. Except that now, the entry level seems to be much higher.
Python 1.0 (or whatever the first version was) might have started as a
one-man project, now any competitor needs to be massive and would still
struggle compete with it in available libraries. It needs something else.

(My language will never make any such list, but it would always be my
first or second choice for any project. First choice in the latter case
would be my other language...)
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Öö Tiib
2017-07-18 00:08:43 UTC
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I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++.
Given that C++ is already such a programming language (one need not use
_all_ the most recent language features, after all), it's hard
to see you getting any traction on this.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Many people want this.
This screams out for supporting citations.
It's been the comment on the lips of my co-workers for as far back
as I can remember C/C++ conversations. It's a common statement made
in both clc and clc++.
No such citations. No wonder.
There really are more than plenty of "better C languages" all around
for every taste. Let me give first releases of the 8 most prominent
1983 - C++
1995 - Java
1996 - Javascript
2000 - C#
2001 - D
2009 - Go
2010 - Rust
2014 - Swift
All are fine enough languages for making software on professional
level. The differences are often only of syntax sugar.
Why we supposedly need yet another one? How is will be better?
You could equally ask the same question of the authors of Rust, Go and
D, as to how it was better than Go, D and C++ respectively. Or of Swift,
since its blurb says it copied ideas from most of the others.
Oh I do not know why Mozilla invested into Rust, really. It is IMHO even
little bit worse than D. About rest of those I have heard plausible reasons.
These may be my silly misinterpretations but here they are:

Bjarne Stroustrup was pioneer of making "better C" with his C++.
Others tried to extend it in various directions.

Engineers in Sun saw that C++ has been damaged by unneeded
backwards compatibility with C on one hand and everybody extending
it in different directions on other hand. So they made Java: cut down
C++ to bare minimum, removed most of C and legally protected it
from anyone calling extended thing "Java".

At same time Netscape saw future differently. It considered itself The
Ruler of World and obviously neither C nor C++ was good enough to run
in Browser. So Javascript did born.

Then Microsoft attempted to extend Java, got its wrist slapped by Sun
and there the thing was named as C#.

Walter Bright (a compiler writer genius) saw that all the "better C"
languages had lost the most powerful feature of C++, generic
programming. He had several more good ideas and so he decided to
make D.

As result Bjarne and Co took all the D-s ideas back into C++. Also C#
and Java were extended with generic programming by their owners.

Goggle saw that now Oracle and Microsoft have their "better C"s and
made also proprietary language Go.

At that spot did come Rust, felt out of sync.

Apple saw that Oracle, Microsoft and Goggle have their better Cs
and made also proprietary language Swift.
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FWIW, my own low-level language started off in 1981 and was developed
from there. It does not attempt to do anything much higher level, and
implementations of it are tiny.
Most of the above are HUGE.
When I need something tiny then C is very tiny and software can be
developed quite efficiently in it. It has its quirks but lot of people
and tools know those. Why to have other similar language with
slightly different quirks?
Post by bartc
Rick's 'CAlive' does appear to have lots of unusual features (which few
others apart from him seem to appreciate the advantages of), so it is
genuinely something different.
But it can also happen that hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people
develop new languages with some new angle, and eventually one or two of
those could end up on your list.
I see really no room on market for some fanmade "better C" also the times
when one man could compete are over now.
I think that it is more likely that one of mammoths that doesn't have their
"better C" yet (like Amazon or Intel) decide to make one and to push it.
Post by bartc
Like Python. Except that now, the entry level seems to be much higher.
Python 1.0 (or whatever the first version was) might have started as a
one-man project, now any competitor needs to be massive and would still
struggle compete with it in available libraries. It needs something else.
Python does not qualify since it is not "better C". There indeed are more
programming languages that are strong for certain purposes.
Post by bartc
(My language will never make any such list, but it would always be my
first or second choice for any project. First choice in the latter case
would be my other language...)
I don't have preferences anymore. It depends mostly on target platform(s)
and project goals what language (or set of languages) I will prefer.
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-18 00:38:52 UTC
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Walter Bright (a compiler writer genius) saw that all the "better C"
languages had lost the most powerful feature of C++, generic
programming. He had several more good ideas and so he decided to
make D.
Walter was a huge inspiration to me in the mid-2000s.
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Rick's 'CAlive' does appear to have lots of unusual features (which few
others apart from him seem to appreciate the advantages of), so it is
genuinely something different.
But it can also happen that hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people
develop new languages with some new angle, and eventually one or two of
those could end up on your list.
I see really no room on market for some fanmade "better C" also the
times when one man could compete are over now.
You do not understand the project's scope, Öö Tiib. I have never
wanted to do this alone. I have asked for help continually since
I began this project in July 2012. A couple people (literally two)
have come on board in 2015 and helped me for a few months. Apart
from that, nobody else has. All I have received from every other
aspect is negativity, or comments like, "I look forward to when it
is completed."

The Liberty Software Foundation is intended to be a group endeavor.
It's in the motto that I created for my page years ago:

http://www.libsf.org

"In God's sight, we've come together.
We've come together to help each other.
Let's grow this project up ... together!
In service and Love to The Lord, forever!"

And if you understood the Lord's purpose in creating man as He has,
with each of us lacking in various areas, yet when we are working
corporately together each helping one another, then we have every
weakness covered. Then are we as we should be.

I do not want to be alone on this project. I don't even want to
run it. I just want to be a doer who writes code to contribute
using my skills alongside other people's skills so we can together
move forward in truly giving ourselves something that is helpful,
because it is not founded on some imagined thing of man, but is
founded upon the Lord, a solid bedrock foundation that we can all
seek out and rely upon as He guides all who are His in all of their
ways.

The Village Freedom Project:
http://www.visual-freepro.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Village_Freedom_Project
http://www.visual-freepro.org/wiki/index.php/Village_Freedom_Project

The logo:

Loading Image...

"The logo shows a worker going up a small hill through rocky
terrain. We can't tell who the worker is (for he/she could
be any of us). The worker possesses the mind of Christ. Being
focused, singularly purposed, the hand has been put to the plow.
Engaged, working, being pulled by three doves with olive branches
in their beaks. The doves represent The Father, The Son, and the
Holy Spirit, and the olive branches represent peace. There is no
lead or rein being used to guide the doves, but rather the doves
are leading the worker toward the goal."

It is a real endeavor unto the Lord, and it is for a real purpose
that is founded in Him. It's not for self-glorification, but is a
right acknowledgment of Him, and my best attempt to give back to
Him that which He first gave me.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-18 01:13:16 UTC
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I see really no room on market for some fanmade "better C" also the
times when one man could compete are over now.
You do not understand the project's scope, Öö Tiib...
I also have a much wider scope. My goals are to create a full
offering to the Lord from this field of interest to me. I am
interested in hardware and software. I desire to create a full
hardware and software stack which is an offering to the Lord, in
putting Him first and not money first, not shortcuts first, not
patents first, not protecting my "intellectual property," etc.,
but to look deep within myself and give up the best of what I'm
able to give. And I want to encourage other people to do the
same.

Here's an audio recording I made about it back in 2012 several
months after I stared the Liberty Software Foundation and began
working on Visual FreePro (the full version):

http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv

If you fast forward to about 35:00 on the on-screen display, the
remainder of the video is me describing this philosophy. And,
FWIW, I was amazed that such a philosophy came from within me.
I was literally sitting there listening to it in words for the
first time as those very words were coming out of my mouth. It
is the spirit pouring forth into the flesh. Rick in the flesh
knew Rick a particular way, thought a certain way, reasoned a
certain way, etc., but the born again spirit Rick has a better
goal and focus, one that is purposed upon the Lord, and upon
making His wishes for my life actually be part of my life.

I have stated about the full hardware and software stack
previously:

comp.arch:

Mar.10.2016
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/bcpb03mL0o0/0uVl-YQABQAJ

Apr.06.2016
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/jQ_0DxCJGwM/H7KelEHQBAAJ

Nov.22.2016
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/I57maIVl1EA/mPR1ye0RBwAJ

May.04.2017
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/ZABSBz_r6g8/7cBWNvPxAAAJ

May.25.2017
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/gkeH_Dyybqw/ahh7AcHkBQAJ

comp.lang.c:

Nov.14.2014
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/1Z5R8IK9F_Q/Os_Ex3RD6rAJ

Nov.02.2015
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/0wsgNOodmDg/GSd0V6xEBgAJ

Aug.22.2016
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/x0mSr7be5zM/N9KVZmX8BQAJ

Oct.04.2016
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c/B76vLZRBJLU/CwUHk-4TBwAJ

comp.arch.fpga:

Dec.02.2014
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch.fpga/F7EA109NGhc/QlN9j1HoPicJ

May.25.2017
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch.fpga/t20eW_i-pJs/tMn7eEgdAwAJ

And there are others.

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I do not want our focus in this world to be on money, or things, or
in accumulating for self. The Lord has given us life, and the life
all around us. It is that life which is precious, and I desire to
contribute in whatever way I'm able to make the lives of those
people around me better, but giving to them the best that I have to
offer up from within, and without strings attached, but that I also
recognize that I am one part of the intricate tapestry of man,
meaning my grand vision might be only a tool or foundation or source
that someone else comes along and uses as a raw material or resource,
then being able to build more on top of my offering using their own
special and unique talents and abilities.

We are not towering people individually. We each have our portion
to contribute to the whole. My desire is to contribute all I have
toward that endeavor, and I have tried for years to do it, and will
keep on trying longing for the day other people get on board and
recognize that all of this stuff here in this world is fleeting,
but what we have together, in relationships, in life, in living,
these are the things which endure and are special.

I want us to have a world full of love, brotherly love, sisterly
love, caring people one to another, desiring to help that person
you've just encountered today have a better life by that which
you possess and occupy at this station in your life. You can give
to them knowledge, information, ideas, your labor, whatever it is
that can help them have a better life. And they likewise you.

When we are all looking out for ourselves, it's us against the
world. When we are all looking out for one another, it's each of
us helping the people we encounter, and also everyone we encounter
being there to help us.

The ways of Jesus Christ are found in the new commandment He gave
His New Testament church body, which is, "Love one another as I
have loved you."

You give everything you have to the ones you live, and you do so
with gladness as it also fills you with even more gladness.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Malcolm McLean
2017-07-17 15:15:21 UTC
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I don't expect you to answer ... but ... really, Kenny? You are
actually disrespecting my projects because I also have Jesus Christ
in my life, and therefore care about you and your eternal soul state?
How does that even correlate? I'm giving my software to all of you
with source code for free forever. I'm telling you that I don't want
you to be judged. I'm teaching you repeatedly the way to keep from
being judged.
How am I doing wrong here?
I'm similar to you, I do software development both paid for and open source,
and I also do Christian apologetics.

But I don't discuss religion in comp.lang.c unless the subject genuinely and
naturally comes up. You wouldn't interrupt a rock concert to play Carmina Burana,
even though you could argue you've replaced the bad music with something
better. Similarly, you don't discuss Christianity where the topic is legitimately
something else, even though you can argue you've replaced a less important
discussion with a more important one.

Whilst my software projects haven't been brilliantly successful, they are mostly
realistic and finished. The exception is maybe Baby X, which is a bit too much
for me to chew. But even Baby X is usable.
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 15:34:20 UTC
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I'm similar to you [Rick C. Hodgin], I do software development both
paid for and open source, and I also do Christian apologetics.
I do not "do Christian apologetics." I teach people what the Bible
says and let the Holy Spirit do the work of giving someone the under-
standing on the inside of their invisible inner core man.

It's not a Christian's job to do anything other than teach what the
Bible teaches, using His words, for they are spirit, and they are
life. We can and should explain it in a way that people in our modern
culture can understand. This often involves different approaches
to the same material, but it is all teaching of spiritual things.
These will necessarily fall on deaf ears on those who are not being
drawn by God to be saved, but for those who are being drawn it will
resonate within their own core and they will know, by the spirit,
that what is being taught is correct.

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FWIW, I do ont recall any fruit demonstrating you are a Christian,
Malcolm. In fact, I see negative comments, and other comments like
Whilst my software projects haven't been brilliantly successful...
...which indicate you are not glorifying self and works, and not
Jesus Christ and His works on the cross for man, and also those
within each of us in that we are only what we are because He first
created us to be, and gave us opportunities to grow and become.

It all ties back to Him, Malcolm, which is why He must be ahead of
all things we're involved in (this is the way for Christians).

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Malcolm McLean
2017-07-17 16:08:09 UTC
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I'm similar to you [Rick C. Hodgin], I do software development both
paid for and open source, and I also do Christian apologetics.
I do not "do Christian apologetics." I teach people what the Bible
says and let the Holy Spirit do the work of giving someone the under-
standing on the inside of their invisible inner core man.
So that's the first mistake you are making. If you say "I am the teacher"
then you can only talk to people who accept their role as disciples, i.e.
the already converted. Which is appropriate if you hold an officer position
in a religious organisation. If you don't, it's not appropriate, even within
that organisation.

If you say you do apologetics, you give the Christian position on affairs
of the moment, or on philosophical matters, but there's a certain assumption
of equality. Naturally, human psychology being what it is, you need a
lot of cheer-leading from the converted to actually get anywhere, and it's
rare for anyone to retract a position openly and in public. But you can have
an effect.
Rick C. Hodgin
2017-07-17 16:45:31 UTC
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I'm similar to you [Rick C. Hodgin], I do software development both
paid for and open source, and I also do Christian apologetics.
I do not "do Christian apologetics." I teach people what the Bible
says and let the Holy Spirit do the work of giving someone the under-
standing on the inside of their invisible inner core man.
So that's the first mistake you are making. If you say "I am the teacher"
then you can only talk to people who accept their role as disciples, i.e.
the already converted.
The teaching comes from those who have been drawn by God the Father
to receive the things of the spirit. Until then, it's impossible for
any flesh to receive those things of the spirit.

There is not one person ever who's been converted through an argument
of man teaching them about the things of God. The person will speak
the things of God, which will then resonate on the inside of that
recipient's heart, so that the recipient will already know that what
is being spoken is truth.

It's as I said previously:

"Christianity is not an outside-first teaching by man, but an
inside-first teaching by God. The two work together, but that's
more by appointment than anything else, as God has us working
together to help one another because He's doled out severally as
He has our various abilities. When we work together, only then
are all of us made complete."

God ordains those appointments, bringing those who are saved to those
who will be saved, so that they can then do their part in teaching
them from that day forward. But it is God the Father who first drew
the person from within to be able to hear the truth of the gospel
message, and it is the Lord who arranges those appointments as well.

It is all God. It is not us. We are just given the gift of being
able to participate in the new life He's given His Son.

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My advice to you, Malcom, is that you do not yet know as you ought.
I suggest you spend time on your knees, and in fasting and prayer,
asking God to guide you by His Holy Spirit. You are, at best by
your witness, what Paul referred to as a carnal Christian, and in
need of milk, not solid foods.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I'm similar to you [Rick C. Hodgin], I do software development both
paid for and open source, and I also do Christian apologetics.
I do not "do Christian apologetics." I teach people what the Bible
says and let the Holy Spirit do the work of giving someone the under-
standing on the inside of their invisible inner core man.
So that's the first mistake you are making. If you say "I am the teacher"
then you can only talk to people who accept their role as disciples, i.e.
the already converted.
The teaching comes from those who have been drawn by God the Father
to receive the things of the spirit. Until then, it's impossible for
any flesh to receive those things of the spirit.
NO! The "teachings" come from you... and the come over and over and over and
over.

And the lesson is anti-Christian and pushes people away.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
There is not one person ever who's been converted through an argument
of man teaching them about the things of God.
That is actually the ONLY way people come to ANY religion.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
The person will speak the things of God, which will then resonate on the
inside of that recipient's heart, so that the recipient will already know that
what is being spoken is truth.
"Christianity is not an outside-first teaching by man, but an
inside-first teaching by God. The two work together, but that's
more by appointment than anything else, as God has us working
together to help one another because He's doled out severally as
He has our various abilities. When we work together, only then
are all of us made complete."
God ordains those appointments, bringing those who are saved to those
who will be saved, so that they can then do their part in teaching
them from that day forward. But it is God the Father who first drew
the person from within to be able to hear the truth of the gospel
message, and it is the Lord who arranges those appointments as well.
It is all God. It is not us. We are just given the gift of being
able to participate in the new life He's given His Son.
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My advice to you, Malcom, is that you do not yet know as you ought.
I suggest you spend time on your knees, and in fasting and prayer,
asking God to guide you by His Holy Spirit. You are, at best by
your witness, what Paul referred to as a carnal Christian, and in
need of milk, not solid foods.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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2017-07-17 17:03:26 UTC
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So that's the first mistake you are making.
Rick posts with a valid e-mail address. If you want to waste your time
arguing with him, I suggest using it. Or find a different newsgroup.
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I'm similar to you [Rick C. Hodgin], I do software development both
paid for and open source, and I also do Christian apologetics.
I do not "do Christian apologetics." I teach people what the Bible
says and let the Holy Spirit do the work of giving someone the under-
standing on the inside of their invisible inner core man.
It's not a Christian's job to do anything other than teach what the
Bible teaches, using His words, for they are spirit, and they are
life.
You use your own words over and over to push your view and to judge others.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
We can and should explain it in a way that people in our modern
culture can understand.
You actively work to turn people away from Christians and make Christianity
look horrible.

With that said, I do not hold all Christians nor Christianity responsible
for your immoral behavior.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
This often involves different approaches to the same material, but it is all
teaching of spiritual things. These will necessarily fall on deaf ears on
those who are not being drawn by God to be saved, but for those who are being
drawn it will resonate within their own core and they will know, by the
spirit, that what is being taught is correct.
There are some open to accepting the same views you do -- but you are
pushing people away from Christianity. I suppose in your view you are doing
the work of Satan.
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FWIW, I do ont recall any fruit demonstrating you are a Christian,
Malcolm. In fact, I see negative comments, and other comments like
Whilst my software projects haven't been brilliantly successful...
...which indicate you are not glorifying self and works, and not
Jesus Christ and His works on the cross for man, and also those
within each of us in that we are only what we are because He first
created us to be, and gave us opportunities to grow and become.
Here you are judging again.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
It all ties back to Him, Malcolm, which is why He must be ahead of
all things we're involved in (this is the way for Christians).
You are actively pushing people away from Christianity.
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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2017-07-17 21:39:07 UTC
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I'm similar to you [Rick C. Hodgin], I do software development both
paid for and open source, and I also do Christian apologetics.
I do not "do Christian apologetics." I teach people what the Bible
says and let the Holy Spirit do the work of giving someone the under-
standing on the inside of their invisible inner core man.
It's not a Christian's job to do anything other than teach what the
Bible teaches, using His words, for they are spirit, and they are
life. We can and should explain it in a way that people in our modern
culture can understand. This often involves different approaches
to the same material, but it is all teaching of spiritual things.
These will necessarily fall on deaf ears on those who are not being
drawn by God to be saved, but for those who are being drawn it will
resonate within their own core and they will know, by the spirit,
that what is being taught is correct.
-----
FWIW, I do ont recall any fruit demonstrating you are a Christian,
Malcolm. In fact, I see negative comments, and other comments like
Whilst my software projects haven't been brilliantly successful...
...which indicate you are not glorifying self and works, and not
Jesus Christ and His works on the cross for man, and also those
within each of us in that we are only what we are because He first
created us to be, and gave us opportunities to grow and become.
It all ties back to Him, Malcolm, which is why He must be ahead of
all things we're involved in (this is the way for Christians).
Are you trying to say that some of Malcolm's software projects would
have been better if only he would have worshipped God better?
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2017-07-17 23:26:43 UTC
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I'm similar to you [Rick C. Hodgin], I do software development both
paid for and open source, and I also do Christian apologetics.
I do not "do Christian apologetics." I teach people what the Bible
says and let the Holy Spirit do the work of giving someone the under-
standing on the inside of their invisible inner core man.
It's not a Christian's job to do anything other than teach what the
Bible teaches, using His words, for they are spirit, and they are
life. We can and should explain it in a way that people in our modern
culture can understand. This often involves different approaches
to the same material, but it is all teaching of spiritual things.
These will necessarily fall on deaf ears on those who are not being
drawn by God to be saved, but for those who are being drawn it will
resonate within their own core and they will know, by the spirit,
that what is being taught is correct.
-----
FWIW, I do ont recall any fruit demonstrating you are a Christian,
Malcolm. In fact, I see negative comments, and other comments like
Whilst my software projects haven't been brilliantly successful...
...which indicate you are not glorifying self and works, and not
Jesus Christ and His works on the cross for man, and also those
within each of us in that we are only what we are because He first
created us to be, and gave us opportunities to grow and become.
It all ties back to Him, Malcolm, which is why He must be ahead of
all things we're involved in (this is the way for Christians).
Are you trying to say that some of Malcolm's software projects would
have been better if only he would have worshipped God better?
LOL!
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Malcolm McLean
2017-07-17 23:59:17 UTC
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It all ties back to Him, Malcolm, which is why He must be ahead of
all things we're involved in (this is the way for Christians).
Are you trying to say that some of Malcolm's software projects would
have been better if only he would have worshipped God better?
Rick's idea is to create a sort of community of religious software
users, programmers, and so on, all using software created by people
of the approved religious stamp.

It's not inherently a bad concept, using the existing social connections
between open source developers and users. Richard Stallman seems to
think along similar lines, tying GNU to progressive, anti-corporate
politics. However it's not something I see as a way forwards. I might
be wrong. One problem with github is too many one man projects and
not enough collaboration, and a pre-existing social bond encourages
collaboration.
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It all ties back to Him, Malcolm, which is why He must be ahead of
all things we're involved in (this is the way for Christians).
Are you trying to say that some of Malcolm's software projects would
have been better if only he would have worshipped God better?
Rick's idea is to create a sort of community of religious software
users, programmers, and so on, all using software created by people
of the approved religious stamp.
It's not inherently a bad concept, using the existing social connections
between open source developers and users. Richard Stallman seems to
think along similar lines, tying GNU to progressive, anti-corporate
politics. However it's not something I see as a way forwards. I might
be wrong. One problem with github is too many one man projects and
not enough collaboration, and a pre-existing social bond encourages
collaboration.
Richard Stallman is the reason I started LibSF. I wanted a God-
fearing alternative to GNU.

In early 2012 I was looking to figure out what I could do with my
programming talents. I wanted to give to the world and contribute
positively. I had talents writing operating systems, so I decided
I would complete the GNU HURD kernel. I began researching what's
required about it and in the process learned some horrible things
about Richard's belief system. I concluded then and there that I
could not support such an endeavor because I believe in Proverbs
29:12:

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/29-12.htm

Because of this, I looked at my life, my skills, my goals, my
desire to help people in the best way possible, and I created the
Liberty Software Foundation as a God-fearing alternative to the
Free Software Foundation, and I created the Village Freedom Project
as an alternative to the GNU Project.

I desire to offer up the same types of tools to people, but I
desire to do it from a place which acknowledges God in His right
place as being the Head of all things, the One who is at the true
center, the guiding counselor, etc.

It's in contrast to non-God-fearing ways, and it's why I've had
such a hard time finding people to help me. People see the cross
and flee like nothing else.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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It all ties back to Him, Malcolm, which is why He must be ahead of
all things we're involved in (this is the way for Christians).
Are you trying to say that some of Malcolm's software projects would
have been better if only he would have worshipped God better?
Rick's idea is to create a sort of community of religious software
users, programmers, and so on, all using software created by people
of the approved religious stamp.
It's not inherently a bad concept, using the existing social connections
between open source developers and users. Richard Stallman seems to
think along similar lines, tying GNU to progressive, anti-corporate
politics.
I am a big fan of the GPL but Stallman himself I find to be repulsive... his
views on sexuality and children sicken me.
Post by Malcolm McLean
However it's not something I see as a way forwards. I might
be wrong. One problem with github is too many one man projects and
not enough collaboration, and a pre-existing social bond encourages
collaboration.
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superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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It's not inherently a bad concept, using the existing social connections
between open source developers and users. Richard Stallman seems to
think along similar lines, tying GNU to progressive, anti-corporate
politics. However it's not something I see as a way forwards. I might
be wrong. One problem with github is too many one man projects and
not enough collaboration, and a pre-existing social bond encourages
collaboration.
The problem with GitHub is GitHub. It's a social scam like many fake social
networks. Any good programmer know how to maintain a personal web page or
contact his peers by email in order to collaborate. GitHub like GNU is a social
business which deliver a revenue to its owners. Nothing more, nothing less.
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The problem with GitHub is GitHub. It's a social scam like
many fake social networks. Any good programmer know
how to maintain a personal web page or contact his peers
by email in order to collaborate. GitHub like GNU is a social
business which deliver a revenue to its owners. Nothing
more, nothing less.

I am not advocating GitHub. I disagree with their policies,
but it's worth pointing out GitHub is free to use for public, open
source projects. Only closed, proprietary projects pay fees for
their hidden repositories, and then it's based on size.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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I am not advocating GitHub. I disagree with their policies,
but it's worth pointing out GitHub is free to use for public, open
source projects. Only closed, proprietary projects pay fees for
their hidden repositories, and then it's based on size.
GitHub isn't free since the user is the product.
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I am not advocating GitHub. I disagree with their policies,
but it's worth pointing out GitHub is free to use for public, open
source projects. Only closed, proprietary projects pay fees for
their hidden repositories, and then it's based on size.
GitHub isn't free since the user is the product.
What does that mean?

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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What does that mean?
Free advertisement by word of mouth and low cost maintenance (better margin)
with hobby training before switching to the corporate paid product.

Actually nothing is free since someone have to pay the hosting cost.
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Free advertisement by word of mouth and low cost maintenance
(better margin) with hobby training before switching to the
corporate paid product.
Actually nothing is free since someone have to pay the hosting
cost.
GitHub makes money by selling private repository hosting.
Their public open-source repositories are truly free.

Atlassian offers BitBucket. For a one-time $10 fee, up to ten
users with GitHub-like software on your own server.

BTW, a tool like GitHub is not required to host git repositories.
Any computer with git on it can be a server. GitHub is just a nice
web-wrapper enabling easy visualization of repository contents.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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I am not advocating GitHub. I disagree with their policies,
but it's worth pointing out GitHub is free to use for public, open
source projects. Only closed, proprietary projects pay fees for
their hidden repositories, and then it's based on size.
GitHub isn't free since the user is the product.
Programmers want a way of distributing hobby code. GitHub provides
a convenient method for doing that. To implement the same functionality
you'd have to set up a server, which is not free.
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I am not advocating GitHub. I disagree with their policies,
but it's worth pointing out GitHub is free to use for public, open
source projects. Only closed, proprietary projects pay fees for
their hidden repositories, and then it's based on size.
GitHub isn't free since the user is the product.
Programmers want a way of distributing hobby code. GitHub provides
a convenient method for doing that. To implement the same functionality
you'd have to set up a server, which is not free.
Github is not yet corrupted as source forge is.
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I am not advocating GitHub. I disagree with their policies,
but it's worth pointing out GitHub is free to use for public, open
source projects. Only closed, proprietary projects pay fees for
their hidden repositories, and then it's based on size.
GitHub isn't free since the user is the product.
Programmers want a way of distributing hobby code. GitHub provides
a convenient method for doing that. To implement the same functionality
you'd have to set up a server, which is not free.
Github is not yet corrupted as source forge is.
afaict, source forge injected crapware:

https://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-software-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/

Strange.
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The problem with GitHub is GitHub.
It's a social scam like many fake social networks.
..............................^^^^

Are you seriously claiming that there is such a thing as a
"fake social network"? Isn't that about the same as a "fake religion" ?

Hint: They are all fake. It'd be like complaining about a
"fake 3 dollar bill".

But of course, see the sig:
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--Christianity is not a religion.
- Rick C Hodgin -
To complete the phrase you do not understand or ascribe correctly:

Christianity is not a religion.
It's a relationship.

Your willful ignorance will cost you your soul, Kenny. And
the sad thing is: it doesn't have to be like that.

Thank you,
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--Christianity is not a religion.
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Christianity is not a religion.
It's a relationship.
Your willful ignorance will cost you your soul, Kenny. And
the sad thing is: it doesn't have to be like that.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Curious: what do you have against Christianity and why do you work so hard
to push people away from it?
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the meddling in your personal business well ahead of my own
nonexistent and pretty much vaporware-at-best but basically useless
attempts at software development.
Do you really think my software projects are basically useless attempts
at software development, Kenny? Or are you just saying hurtful words
to do harm to me?
I have goals to give people a new programming language about half way
between C and C++, with closer ties to C than C++. Many people want
this.
Not a programmer... but I am curious who?
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I have goals for an alternative operating system that's not
Windows, Mac OS, Linux, or other, and is an open source version of
OS/2.
Do you mean <http://www.osfree.org>?
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I have goals for a free xbase language that allows for the
power of Visual FoxPro apps in a new form, automatically bringing
forward all of those 30 years of development on FoxPro apps back
into the mainstream again. I have hardware goals to give us a real
alternative to Intel and AMD.
Funded by whom?
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
These are all honorable goals, so I am curious as to your real
assessment of my projects. Is it based on reality, or solely upon
your personal hatred of Jesus Christ then applied to me as an
ongoing reminder / messenger of His forthcoming presence in your
life, through either your voluntary acceptance of Him in your life
on this world, or your forced acceptance of Him on the day of your
judgment in Heaven?
Nobody here has expressed any hatred of Jesus, other perhaps than you with
your insistence that you have the right to speak for him and say he approves
of your immoral behavior.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I don't expect you to answer ... but ... really, Kenny? You are
actually disrespecting my projects because I also have Jesus Christ
in my life, and therefore care about you and your eternal soul state?
You care about yourself and the pushing of your views into a forum where
they do not belong. You present yourself a horrible Christian.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
How does that even correlate? I'm giving my software to all of you
with source code for free forever. I'm telling you that I don't want
you to be judged.
You repeatedly judge... so this claim of yours is a lie. Your view of
Christianity is that lying is fine.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I'm teaching you repeatedly the way to keep from being judged.
Gee, believe as you do and you will stop judging and trolling others. That
is reprehensible.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
How am I doing wrong here?
Pushing your views and trolling and judging others and lying. To name a few.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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them, please do not edit quotations like that. Rick wrote what he wrote
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Your posts mostly are NOT about C programming.
These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the state of your eternal soul well ahead of my own software
development.
At least, try to use source codes to prove that you are still talking
about C programming if religion-oriented not object-oriented! :)
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Your posts mostly are NOT about C programming.
These recent posts haven't been, but they're limited to their own
threads. It also shows you where my priorities are ... focused
on the state of your eternal soul well ahead of my own software
development.
At least, try to use source codes to prove that you are still talking
about C programming if religion-oriented not object-oriented! :)
I wrote a program in FoxPro once that described the Christian life.
It's on Universal Thread. They've banned me for life so I can't go
there and get the URL, but if you go there and search for a post
from me from a few years ago with the keyword: "RETURN TO MASTER"
(a term used in FoxPro to return all the way back to main() basically),
then you'll see how it can be coded.

In this case, see truth.c here:

#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
printf("I do now, and always will, need Jesus.\n");
return 0;
}

Compile and run truth.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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I wrote a program in FoxPro once that described the Christian life.
It's on Universal Thread. They've banned me for life so I can't go
there and get the URL, but if you go there and search for a post
from me from a few years ago with the keyword: "RETURN TO MASTER"
(a term used in FoxPro to return all the way back to main() basically),
then you'll see how it can be coded.
Obviously you didn't really talk about programming problems but how to
serve your own religion's interests. :)
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
printf("I do now, and always will, need Jesus.\n");
return 0;
}
Compile and run truth.
You are merely advertising your faith and religion using printf()!

OTOH, it's still a C program, but too simple sometimes naive. :)
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#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
printf("I do now, and always will, need Jesus.\n");
return 0;
}
Compile and run truth.
You are merely advertising your faith and religion using printf()!
OTOH, it's still a C program, but too simple sometimes naive. :)
The complement to "Hello world" which is traditionally used to test
shutdown is "Goodbye, cruel world". You can argue that that is an
anti-Christian sentiment.
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The complement to "Hello world" which is traditionally used to test
shutdown is "Goodbye, cruel world". You can argue that that is an
anti-Christian sentiment.
A good C programmer should know the line between a job and a religion.
You don't preach about your religions in a forum about C programming the
job.

Not so sure about priests and monks. :)
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The complement to "Hello world" which is traditionally used to test
shutdown is "Goodbye, cruel world". You can argue that that is an
anti-Christian sentiment.
A good C programmer should know the line between a job and a religion.
You don't preach about your religions in a forum about C programming the
job.
Rick's position is that the God stuff is so damn important, that it trumps
topicality. Kiki (and, apparently, you as well) disagree, and maintain
that *nothing* trumps the topicality rules.

Personally, I think that *if* the God stuff is true/real, then it *does*
trump any puny little "topicality" rules we mere humans may hold dear. So,
I tend to agree with Rick, provided, of course, that the God stuff is
true/real - which it isn't. That's the thing about religion; it is either
true or it isn't. If it is (which it isn't), then it trumps everything.

The real question is: Why does Rick (only) troll this particular newsgroup?
(Note: I believe he does actually troll a few other groups as well, but
this is the only one I read, and, as far as I can tell, this one is the
primary recipient of his trolling efforts). I've answered this question
previously, but I will re-iterate now that the specific "personality" of
this group (rigid devotion to and slavish acceptance of authority [the C
standards]) make it prime territory for Rick's specific brand of trolling.
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The real question is: Why does Rick (only) troll this particular
newsgroup? (Note: I believe he does actually troll a few other
groups as well, but this is the only one I read, and, as far as
I can tell, this one is the primary recipient of his trolling efforts).
First off, I do not troll. I have interests in my life, and they relate
to these groups:

comp.lang.c
comp.lang.c++
alt.os.development
comp.arch
comp.arch.fpga
comp.os.os2.apps

And a few others with less frequency.

Second, I post in each of them as I am led from within. I often cross-
post an initial post, though since I use Google Groups I cannot truly
cross-post, but simply multi-post. But it's all the same content just
re-posted.

Third, I do all of this because I care about the people in these areas
to which I have interest. If I had other interests, I would care about
the people there as well.

Where I am, I am guiding people toward Jesus Christ, toward repentance,
toward salvation and eternal life because without forgiveness of sin,
we have no life, and nothing we do here matters at all. But only those
who are saved will endure, and only those things we do for Him in our
salvation will endure beyond this world.

-----
I want each of you to thrive and live and shine on in eternity, and
with a (the Heavenly equivalent of a "fat bank account") reward that
the Lord will give you for your service.

I want you to walk the streets of gold, and speak face-to-face with
God, and learn from Him and shower the universe with all of the many
blessings He'll give you magnified, honed, shaped by all that is your
very core being.

You are all amazing and beautiful and remarkable people. But sin has
you. And until you turn away from sin and seek God, there is no hope
for you. But if you will turn away from sin and seek forgiveness from
God, then He will forgive you, and all that He's created you to be can
be expressed upon this universe from that day forward. And we, working
together, can do something truly amazing the world has never seen.

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It is for literal real brotherly- and sisterly- ... family-love that
I post these things. I want you to each to achieve maximally, and
to shine in your lives with a glow that does not end, but endures in
fullest brilliance forever.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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It is for literal real brotherly- and sisterly- ... family-love that
I post these things. I want you to each to achieve maximally, and
to shine in your lives with a glow that does not end, but endures in
fullest brilliance forever.
You are still preaching. I don't know what prompted you to do it.
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It is for literal real brotherly- and sisterly- ... family-love that
I post these things. I want you to each to achieve maximally, and
to shine in your lives with a glow that does not end, but endures in
fullest brilliance forever.
You are still preaching. I don't know what prompted you to do it.
I know you don't. And you never will until you start seeking the
truth, Mr. Man-wai Chang. Until that day, you will only be another
of the walking dead marching forth on the Earth as though they are
alive, but there is no eternal life within you. You are only an
eternal corpse with the rumor of real life.

What Jesus brings you is real life. Eternal life. And it comes
when your sins are forgiven by Him.

That is the teaching here ... not preaching, but teaching. It is
the gospel message given to you so you can understand in the way
required to have it click within you.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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You are still preaching. I don't know what prompted you to do it.
I know you don't. And you never will until you start seeking the
...
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
I believe you should take your crap to governments worldwide, not here!
I haven't heard of any government that take Usenet's opinions seriously.
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You are still preaching. I don't know what prompted you to do it.
I know you don't. And you never will until you start seeking the
I believe you should take your crap to governments worldwide, not here!
I haven't heard of any government that take Usenet's opinions seriously.
Jesus didn't come to the Earth to save governments. He came to save
people ... men and women. Even to save you. And even me.

The gospel message is for people. The people will receive the gospel
message and then go forth and create governments for their communities
which serve God, and place Him above all things.

You have to look at fundamentals, true sources, origins, and not the
band-aid topical solutions which don't correct the fundamental flaw.

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I heard a preacher give a sermon one time likening the gospel message
to a doctor. He said something like:

Look, I don't care if you like me or not. I'm not here to be
popular with you. I'm here because I'm a good surgeon and
you've got some cancer in there and I've got to go in and cut
that cancer out!

It's how it is for teachers of the gospel message. We're not here to
be popular. We're here because people have a dead-in-sin condition,
and the gospel message teaches you how to make you alive-in-Christ,
with the old dead-in-sin ways dying and being replaced with the new
life Christ brings.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
You are still preaching. I don't know what prompted you to do it.
I know you don't. And you never will until you start seeking the
I believe you should take your crap to governments worldwide, not here!
I haven't heard of any government that take Usenet's opinions seriously.
Jesus didn't come to the Earth to save governments. He came to save
people ... men and women. Even to save you. And even me.
The gospel message is for people. The people will receive the gospel
message and then go forth and create governments for their communities
which serve God, and place Him above all things.
You have to look at fundamentals, true sources, origins, and not the
band-aid topical solutions which don't correct the fundamental flaw.
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I heard a preacher give a sermon one time likening the gospel message
Look, I don't care if you like me or not. I'm not here to be
popular with you. I'm here because I'm a good surgeon and
you've got some cancer in there and I've got to go in and cut
that cancer out!
It's how it is for teachers of the gospel message. We're not here to
be popular. We're here because people have a dead-in-sin condition,
and the gospel message teaches you how to make you alive-in-Christ,
with the old dead-in-sin ways dying and being replaced with the new
life Christ brings.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
No matter how much you work to make Christians look bad, I will NEVER hold
true Christians accountable for your efforts to push people away from
Christ. NEVER.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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There is only one way to avoid judgment for your sin: it is to have your sin
forgiven by Jesus Christ.

He will forgive you for free. He came to the Earth for that purpose.
All you
have to do is ask Him.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Post by Kenny McCormack
The real question is: Why does Rick (only) troll this particular
newsgroup? (Note: I believe he does actually troll a few other
groups as well, but this is the only one I read, and, as far as
I can tell, this one is the primary recipient of his trolling efforts).
First off, I do not troll.
Of course you do: you post an anti-Christian message in an apparent effort
to make Christians look bad and turn people away from Christ / Christianity.

And that is as offensive as the anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic nonsense we
sometimes see online.

I want you to know that no matter how much effort you put into making
Christians look bad I will NEVER hold real Christians accountable for YOUR
words and actions.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
I have interests in my life, and they relate
comp.lang.c
comp.lang.c++
alt.os.development
comp.arch
comp.arch.fpga
comp.os.os2.apps
And a few others with less frequency.
Second, I post in each of them as I am led from within. I often cross-
post an initial post, though since I use Google Groups I cannot truly
cross-post, but simply multi-post. But it's all the same content just
re-posted.
Third, I do all of this because I care about the people in these areas
to which I have interest. If I had other interests, I would care about
the people there as well.
If you truly cared you would stop focusing on yourself and your own pride in
thinking you have some grand answer others do not.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Where I am, I am guiding people toward Jesus Christ,
You are actively and repeatedly pushing people AWAY from Christ and
Christianity.
Post by Rick C. Hodgin
toward repentance,
toward salvation and eternal life because without forgiveness of sin,
we have no life, and nothing we do here matters at all. But only those
who are saved will endure, and only those things we do for Him in our
salvation will endure beyond this world.
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I want each of you to thrive and live and shine on in eternity, and
with a (the Heavenly equivalent of a "fat bank account") reward that
the Lord will give you for your service.
I want you to walk the streets of gold, and speak face-to-face with
God, and learn from Him and shower the universe with all of the many
blessings He'll give you magnified, honed, shaped by all that is your
very core being.
You are all amazing and beautiful and remarkable people. But sin has
you. And until you turn away from sin and seek God, there is no hope
for you. But if you will turn away from sin and seek forgiveness from
God, then He will forgive you, and all that He's created you to be can
be expressed upon this universe from that day forward. And we, working
together, can do something truly amazing the world has never seen.
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It is for literal real brotherly- and sisterly- ... family-love that
I post these things. I want you to each to achieve maximally, and
to shine in your lives with a glow that does not end, but endures in
fullest brilliance forever.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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Post by Kenny McCormack
Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
Post by Malcolm McLean
The complement to "Hello world" which is traditionally used to test
shutdown is "Goodbye, cruel world". You can argue that that is an
anti-Christian sentiment.
A good C programmer should know the line between a job and a religion.
You don't preach about your religions in a forum about C programming the
job.
Rick's position is that the God stuff is so damn important, that it trumps
topicality. Kiki (and, apparently, you as well) disagree, and maintain
that *nothing* trumps the topicality rules.
Personally, I think that *if* the God stuff is true/real, then it *does*
trump any puny little "topicality" rules we mere humans may hold dear. So,
I tend to agree with Rick, provided, of course, that the God stuff is
true/real - which it isn't. That's the thing about religion; it is either
true or it isn't. If it is (which it isn't), then it trumps everything.
The real question is: Why does Rick (only) troll this particular newsgroup?
(Note: I believe he does actually troll a few other groups as well, but
this is the only one I read, and, as far as I can tell, this one is the
primary recipient of his trolling efforts). I've answered this question
previously, but I will re-iterate now that the specific "personality" of
this group (rigid devotion to and slavish acceptance of authority [the C
standards]) make it prime territory for Rick's specific brand of trolling.
If Rick *really* believed what he claims to he would not be working so hard
to push people AWAY from Christianity. I have no issue with Christians...
but clearly Rick does: he is actively working to make Christians look bad.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
Post by Malcolm McLean
The complement to "Hello world" which is traditionally used to test
shutdown is "Goodbye, cruel world". You can argue that that is an
anti-Christian sentiment.
A good C programmer should know the line between a job and a religion.
You don't preach about your religions in a forum about C programming the
job.
You have things backwards in your mind, Mr. Man-wai Chang. You must
look back to fundamentals and then build up from there.

People were created by God. He created us to have needs and be
dependent upon Him for those things we'll possess and occupy, which
are also His gifts to us.

This dependency isn't for some kind of control over us, but is
because we are still learning how to do things in His universe.
As with our own children, we don't turn them loose at age 12 to
go forth and do things, even though with proper guidance and
direction a 12 year old could probably do most everything an
adult could, they aren't able to do it yet on their own.

God gives us grace and mercy and guidance so that we will over-
come the things in this universe that will trap us, but we must
also do our part.

It is right to have God first in our lives, and then do the other
things we do, so that all of the things we do are subject to Him
and His guidance, and not just our own beliefs, or those beliefs
the enemy of God in this world would also lead us toward.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6-33.htm
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;
and all these things shall be added unto you.

The things He talks about there are essential life things, but
if you continue reading other passages, He has much more to give
us. In fact, He has so much to give it would overwhelm us, but
as a Good Shepherd, He guides us through our training, through
our school:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/malachi/3-10.htm
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may
be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the
LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven,
and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room
enough to receive it.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/6-38.htm
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed
down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give
into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal
it shall be measured to you again.

This isn't because God is like an ATM and if you put in the effort
He rewards you. It's more like as you put in the effort you grow
and mature in your relationship with Him, so that He is now in the
position of being able to truly trust you with those things He
would dole out to you.

It's similar to how we wouldn't give a young child everything they
seek because it would spoil them, but as they mature and demonstrate
they are able to handle more, more is given to them.

Note also that at some point those children are expected to stand
up and do and walk on their own. But even then, as with our own
families and our own guidance as parents to our children, we are
still there to catch them when they make mistakes or get trapped,
so God also is there to catch us when we make mistakes or get
trapped by the enemy.

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Christianity is not a religion. It's a relationship ... with God
Himself.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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... more preaching crap...
Christianity is not a religion. It's a relationship ... with God
Himself.
I am out of this... :)
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... more preaching crap...
Christianity is not a religion. It's a relationship ... with God
Himself.
I am out of this... :)
Rick is a clever troll pushing an anti-Christian message with the veneer of
being a Christian himself. No real Christian would work so hard to push
people AWAY from Christ as he does.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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Post by Rick C. Hodgin
Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
Post by Malcolm McLean
The complement to "Hello world" which is traditionally used to test
shutdown is "Goodbye, cruel world". You can argue that that is an
anti-Christian sentiment.
A good C programmer should know the line between a job and a religion.
You don't preach about your religions in a forum about C programming the
job.
You have things backwards in your mind, Mr. Man-wai Chang. You must
look back to fundamentals and then build up from there.
People were created by God. He created us to have needs and be
dependent upon Him for those things we'll possess and occupy, which
are also His gifts to us.
This dependency isn't for some kind of control over us, but is
because we are still learning how to do things in His universe.
As with our own children, we don't turn them loose at age 12 to
go forth and do things, even though with proper guidance and
direction a 12 year old could probably do most everything an
adult could, they aren't able to do it yet on their own.
God gives us grace and mercy and guidance so that we will over-
come the things in this universe that will trap us, but we must
also do our part.
It is right to have God first in our lives, and then do the other
things we do, so that all of the things we do are subject to Him
and His guidance, and not just our own beliefs, or those beliefs
the enemy of God in this world would also lead us toward.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6-33.htm
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;
and all these things shall be added unto you.
The things He talks about there are essential life things, but
if you continue reading other passages, He has much more to give
us. In fact, He has so much to give it would overwhelm us, but
as a Good Shepherd, He guides us through our training, through
http://biblehub.com/kjv/malachi/3-10.htm
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may
be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the
LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven,
and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room
enough to receive it.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/6-38.htm
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed
down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give
into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal
it shall be measured to you again.
This isn't because God is like an ATM and if you put in the effort
He rewards you. It's more like as you put in the effort you grow
and mature in your relationship with Him, so that He is now in the
position of being able to truly trust you with those things He
would dole out to you.
It's similar to how we wouldn't give a young child everything they
seek because it would spoil them, but as they mature and demonstrate
they are able to handle more, more is given to them.
Note also that at some point those children are expected to stand
up and do and walk on their own. But even then, as with our own
families and our own guidance as parents to our children, we are
still there to catch them when they make mistakes or get trapped,
so God also is there to catch us when we make mistakes or get
trapped by the enemy.
-----
Christianity is not a religion. It's a relationship ... with God
Himself.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Curious what Christians did to you to make you hate them so much and work so
hard to turn people away from Christianity. I find your anti-Christian push
as offensive as the all-too-common anti-Muslim bigotry we see online, though
with your brand of attack you pretend to be a Christian and make them look
bad.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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